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Old 06-22-2012, 12:51 PM   #1
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The 2JZ-GTE is more than capable to hold 500hp easily. If your wanting to know more information, here are links to a couple of questions previously asked by other supra owners. Pwpanas is the guy to look to for any help regarding upgrades and overall knowledge.

http://www.toyota-supra.info/forums/...y-driving.html

http://www.toyota-supra.info/forums/...questions.html
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Old 06-23-2012, 02:32 PM   #2
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2jz is good for way more then 500hp. But I heard the valve train can only take 600hp but I'm not sure. Also the stock 2jz internals are already forged
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Old 06-26-2012, 01:37 AM   #3
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2jz is good for way more then 500hp. But I heard the valve train can only take 600hp but I'm not sure. Also the stock 2jz internals are already forged
WOW. How can you be a member of this forum and be so uninformed???? Please read back through some of the other threads on this topic!

The 2jz-gTe is good for well over 1000hp, including the valve train. In fact, the record on an oem 2jz-gTe shortblock is ~1050rwhp (1,235hp at the crank). A number of race teams have used the oem pistons with aftermarket rods (Carillo) and put down over 1300rwhp.

Over 1000hp, the oem connecting rods can be the weak point (especially when using nitrous as a power adder). However, I strongly suspect that with proper tuning, a brand new 2jz-gte with oem rods & pistons, a ported head, aftermarket cams, the oem valve train, and a big (eg. 92mm) turbo (no nitrous) could hit 1200rwhp. Wish I could afford to bankroll that experiment!

The oem valve train fails at about 35psi of boost. Specifically, the intake-side oem valve springs are too weak to hold back that much boost, so they get blown open by the boost before being opened by the cams. This can lead to shims popping out (quite a bad thing). Although I don't have any hard data, most agree the oem valve train will also fail over about 8K rpm, again due to the relatively weak oem valve springs (again, shims can pop out). Stiffer valve springs (and/or dual valve springs) fixes those problems, but will likely reduce the service life of the engine. In other words, keep it under 35psi of boost and under 8k rpm, and there's no need to worry about the oem valve train.
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Old 06-26-2012, 01:43 AM   #4
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The 2JZ-GTE is more than capable to hold 500hp easily. If your wanting to know more information, here are links to a couple of questions previously asked by other supra owners. Pwpanas is the guy to look to for any help regarding upgrades and overall knowledge.

http://www.toyota-supra.info/forums/...y-driving.html

http://www.toyota-supra.info/forums/...questions.html
Where is everyone getting this "500hp" figure? Honestly, there are NO 500hp limits on the entire Mkiv TT Supra, except maybe the oem twins, high mileage, run through an auto tranny. The oem fuel system, and the oem auto tranny itself are both good for far more than that! The oem 2jz-gTe can put out 1000hp (yes - really! No exaggeration whatsoever).

Thank you for your kind words. I just hate that I've failed everyone so badly here - I was certain I had posted that 1000hp figure over and over and over and over again. Sigh.

For example, here's a direct quote from that first link that you posted:
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700rwhp is a walk in the park for a bone-stock 2jz-gte!!! Really!!! In theory, you could even roadrace it at 900rwhp and it'd be just fine with oem bone-stock "internals"!!!"
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What was I wrong about the valve train that's why I said I'm not sure about the valve train. Now that i have the correct info from u I can use that. By the way everybody is talking a 500hp because that the guy's goal. I know the 2jz-gte can take more then 1000hp and seen it.
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What was I wrong about the valve train that's why I said I'm not sure about the valve train. Now that i have the correct info from u I can use that. By the way everybody is talking a 500hp because that the guy's goal. I know the 2jz-gte can take more then 1000hp and seen it.
Ok my bad. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Old 06-30-2012, 04:38 AM   #7
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Wow,

I really(REALLY) appreciate your guys answers to my questions.

Again, thanks for the detailed info/answers, AND the links.

I didnt know that the 2jz-gte is forged from factory(wow!)

What do you guys think of the rb motor's? Anyone own them before? Personally, I LOVE the sound, esp mine, as it has a Tomei Dump/Front pipe, so it really growls. Here is a clip(dont laugh, lol)
Thats with the factory ecu and only running 7psi - Around 180rwkw
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