VAF Elimination/conversion?

scorpion1 · 02-26-2010, 04:57 AM

Alright, so how does this list sound to you?
fuel pump
fuel rail
intake manifold
bigger tb
Spectre filter and adapter (cheap and functional)
car already has a header so Ill probably toss on a CherryBomb Extreme muffler.
short shifter
D2 Coilovers
Wilwood or Baer brakes
minor weight reduction
adj cam gears
air intake hard pipe.
Care to share on the resonator deal? Im assuming it smooths airflow.
MAFT PRO and MAF conversion

cre · 02-26-2010, 04:40 PM

Skip the fuel rail, the stocker is sufficient for around 500HP IIRC.

Skip the TB, the stock intake isn't large enough to support bigger and there aren't any aftermarket intakes available for the GE... besides, it won't carry over to the GTE and a larger intake = slower air velocities; You don't want that on a N/A.

Spectre is crap.... I thought you were trying to UPgrade? Read this: http://www.toyota-supra.info/forums/...-location.html There are more threads about the matter here as well, just don't have the time to dig them up. Two filters not covered in that review are AEM's DryFlow and Amsoil's EaO... The DryFlow is less expensive than both the Apex'i and Amsoil, uses newer tech than the Apex'i and supposedly filters close to as well as the Amsoil.

I wouldn't do anything to make a N/A louder... It's annoying and everyone with a decent build knows you're just over compensating.

Intake hard pipe? Depends on what you're using it to replace... The only things in the stock intake tract that can be improved are the accordion hoses could stand to be replaced with smooth couplers. Also, if you insist on installing metal, consider getting it ceramic coated or wrapping it with heat wrap to keep the intake cooler, aluminum lets more heat in faster than the stock plastic. As mentioned in the thread I linked to above, keep the air filter OUT OF THE ENGINE BAY!

The resonator (big plastic bulb in the middle of the intake) is a Helmholtz resonator. It removes oscillation from the in coming air; This causes two things: quieter intake and better and more consistent airflow. Despite the claims of the ignorant, it is NOT a restriction of any sort and has been shown in dyno testing to provide gains in HP... or rather its removal has been proven to cause losses.

I like the MAFT Pro. As far as piggy back controllers go, it's my favorite. It allows you to run s/d, has a built in boost controller, has timing control capabilities, integrates with a wideband (I run a LC-1 wideband with it) and it will work with GE and GTE electronics.... Oh, and there are only two people running it with 7M-GE electronics... so, there's bragging rights, I guess.

Wideband, don't forget the wideband.

Also, if you don't have a LSD, add it to the list.

scorpion1 · 02-26-2010, 09:01 PM

I was going to get 2-3/4" hardpipe(aluminum) and heat wrapping it along with the header to bring down temps a little. I have read a few of the threads I missed the Spectre being mentioned. As far as the muffler goes its one Ive had for quite some time and its gone on everything Ive owned short of my GMC Truck, thats straight pipe lol. Sorry I like loud, never really cared what other people thought, if it doesnt sound good it comes off and goes back to stock and the muffler sits. On the intake manifold matter I could have sworn I spotted one for the 7M made by VENOM. coulda been for the MKIV though and I didnt catch it. Theyre supposed to be good on NA or Boosted apps so I figured it would be something worth picking up a while. Guess Ill have to do a little more digging. Thanks again for all the help, chances are Ill pick up some of the other parts and just set them aside for the build so I have them.

cre · 02-27-2010, 01:05 AM

Spectre is crap, IMO... They're the only company I know of who'd chrome PVC piping (you know, it's used for your sink's drain) and tell you to go ahead and stuff it in a very hot engine bay for intake piping. I can't imagine anyone would bother wasting the money on buying one to review it.

I've never seen an aftermarket intake for the 7M-GE. I've seen a couple sites advertise one, but it's just a piece of curved pipe, two couplers and generic filter... doesn't even include the adapter you'd need to mount it to the 7M's AFM.

There is VERY LITTLE in the performance parts world that works well for both N/A and forced induction setups. Companies that insist their products are are either selling one of the few specialized products for which it is true (such as fuel pumps, fuel controllers and air filters) or they're just trying to make a sale. Intake, exhaust, cams, valves are all things which are chosen for a specific build; you don't just throw them on if you're really looking to get as much as possible out of your car. Now, if you're swapping out the GE and definitely go with an exhaust intended for a turbo setup (ie big) but otherwise you'd want to plan accordingly and keep the pipe size down.

scorpion1 · 02-27-2010, 01:36 AM

I meant VENOM Intake manifold.
as far as the Spectre goes I just meant a filter and they have a 3" aluminum adapter for the VAF

cre · 02-27-2010, 03:15 AM

Unless you're talking about another VENOM or they've recently expended their catalog, the only product I know of that they make for the MKIII are reconditioned stock injectors (which, given test results of others, I'd never trust).

Do whatever you wish for the air filter and the rest, it's your engine... but you did ask for advice and recommendations and that you have received.

scorpion1 · 02-27-2010, 04:17 AM

Like I said I probably saw it for the MKIV or something else. Im not disregarding your filter preferences and chances are Ill pick one up from the list I was just trying to clarify what I meant.

02-26-2010, 04:57 AM	#1
scorpion1 Stock Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Manheim, PA Posts: 10	Alright, so how does this list sound to you? fuel pump fuel rail intake manifold bigger tb Spectre filter and adapter (cheap and functional) car already has a header so Ill probably toss on a CherryBomb Extreme muffler. short shifter D2 Coilovers Wilwood or Baer brakes minor weight reduction adj cam gears air intake hard pipe. Care to share on the resonator deal? Im assuming it smooths airflow. MAFT PRO and MAF conversion __________________ ENIGMA_MIKAGE

02-26-2010, 04:40 PM	#2
cre Toyota Racing Development Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 5,038	Skip the fuel rail, the stocker is sufficient for around 500HP IIRC. Skip the TB, the stock intake isn't large enough to support bigger and there aren't any aftermarket intakes available for the GE... besides, it won't carry over to the GTE and a larger intake = slower air velocities; You don't want that on a N/A. Spectre is crap.... I thought you were trying to UPgrade? Read this: http://www.toyota-supra.info/forums/...-location.html There are more threads about the matter here as well, just don't have the time to dig them up. Two filters not covered in that review are AEM's DryFlow and Amsoil's EaO... The DryFlow is less expensive than both the Apex'i and Amsoil, uses newer tech than the Apex'i and supposedly filters close to as well as the Amsoil. I wouldn't do anything to make a N/A louder... It's annoying and everyone with a decent build knows you're just over compensating. Intake hard pipe? Depends on what you're using it to replace... The only things in the stock intake tract that can be improved are the accordion hoses could stand to be replaced with smooth couplers. Also, if you insist on installing metal, consider getting it ceramic coated or wrapping it with heat wrap to keep the intake cooler, aluminum lets more heat in faster than the stock plastic. As mentioned in the thread I linked to above, keep the air filter OUT OF THE ENGINE BAY! The resonator (big plastic bulb in the middle of the intake) is a Helmholtz resonator. It removes oscillation from the in coming air; This causes two things: quieter intake and better and more consistent airflow. Despite the claims of the ignorant, it is NOT a restriction of any sort and has been shown in dyno testing to provide gains in HP... or rather its removal has been proven to cause losses. I like the MAFT Pro. As far as piggy back controllers go, it's my favorite. It allows you to run s/d, has a built in boost controller, has timing control capabilities, integrates with a wideband (I run a LC-1 wideband with it) and it will work with GE and GTE electronics.... Oh, and there are only two people running it with 7M-GE electronics... so, there's bragging rights, I guess. Wideband, don't forget the wideband. Also, if you don't have a LSD, add it to the list. __________________ If something breaks or you need to contact a member of the administration please post HERE. Unless it's a private or administration matter please post it on the forum. It benefits no one else if car related questions aren't posted for future users and takes away from the time I'm able to spend helping on the rest of the forum. If you're so inclined I'm always more than happy to accept tips via PayPal. Tip Jar --->

02-26-2010, 09:01 PM	#3
scorpion1 Stock Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Manheim, PA Posts: 10	I was going to get 2-3/4" hardpipe(aluminum) and heat wrapping it along with the header to bring down temps a little. I have read a few of the threads I missed the Spectre being mentioned. As far as the muffler goes its one Ive had for quite some time and its gone on everything Ive owned short of my GMC Truck, thats straight pipe lol. Sorry I like loud, never really cared what other people thought, if it doesnt sound good it comes off and goes back to stock and the muffler sits. On the intake manifold matter I could have sworn I spotted one for the 7M made by VENOM. coulda been for the MKIV though and I didnt catch it. Theyre supposed to be good on NA or Boosted apps so I figured it would be something worth picking up a while. Guess Ill have to do a little more digging. Thanks again for all the help, chances are Ill pick up some of the other parts and just set them aside for the build so I have them. __________________ ENIGMA_MIKAGE

02-27-2010, 01:05 AM	#4
cre Toyota Racing Development Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 5,038	Spectre is crap, IMO... They're the only company I know of who'd chrome PVC piping (you know, it's used for your sink's drain) and tell you to go ahead and stuff it in a very hot engine bay for intake piping. I can't imagine anyone would bother wasting the money on buying one to review it. I've never seen an aftermarket intake for the 7M-GE. I've seen a couple sites advertise one, but it's just a piece of curved pipe, two couplers and generic filter... doesn't even include the adapter you'd need to mount it to the 7M's AFM. There is VERY LITTLE in the performance parts world that works well for both N/A and forced induction setups. Companies that insist their products are are either selling one of the few specialized products for which it is true (such as fuel pumps, fuel controllers and air filters) or they're just trying to make a sale. Intake, exhaust, cams, valves are all things which are chosen for a specific build; you don't just throw them on if you're really looking to get as much as possible out of your car. Now, if you're swapping out the GE and definitely go with an exhaust intended for a turbo setup (ie big) but otherwise you'd want to plan accordingly and keep the pipe size down. __________________ If something breaks or you need to contact a member of the administration please post HERE. Unless it's a private or administration matter please post it on the forum. It benefits no one else if car related questions aren't posted for future users and takes away from the time I'm able to spend helping on the rest of the forum. If you're so inclined I'm always more than happy to accept tips via PayPal. Tip Jar --->

02-27-2010, 01:36 AM	#5
scorpion1 Stock Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Manheim, PA Posts: 10	I meant VENOM Intake manifold. as far as the Spectre goes I just meant a filter and they have a 3" aluminum adapter for the VAF __________________ ENIGMA_MIKAGE

02-27-2010, 03:15 AM	#6
cre Toyota Racing Development Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 5,038	Unless you're talking about another VENOM or they've recently expended their catalog, the only product I know of that they make for the MKIII are reconditioned stock injectors (which, given test results of others, I'd never trust). Do whatever you wish for the air filter and the rest, it's your engine... but you did ask for advice and recommendations and that you have received. __________________ If something breaks or you need to contact a member of the administration please post HERE. Unless it's a private or administration matter please post it on the forum. It benefits no one else if car related questions aren't posted for future users and takes away from the time I'm able to spend helping on the rest of the forum. If you're so inclined I'm always more than happy to accept tips via PayPal. Tip Jar --->

02-27-2010, 04:17 AM	#7
scorpion1 Stock Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Manheim, PA Posts: 10	Like I said I probably saw it for the MKIV or something else. Im not disregarding your filter preferences and chances are Ill pick one up from the list I was just trying to clarify what I meant. __________________ ENIGMA_MIKAGE