2JZGE to 2JZGTE Swap Questions

[pwpanas]

Originally Posted by [SupraLEGEND]

Thanks for replying. I hear you. I read on a technical section of a different Supra forum that the W58 can safely handle (I stand corrected with this figure) around 300rwkw (roughly 410HP) which is more than what the stock 2JZ-GTE puts out. By that they mean that you can open up the boost even more on a GTE and not worry about the tranny breaking if you're running it thru a W58. What do you think?

A completely stock 2jz-gte means stock turbos...and 410rwhp is right at what most BPU 2jz-gte's do (6spd). The record for a new 2jz-gte with new oem twins, bpu'd, is about 475rwhp. Personally, I'd never run a tranny that was right on the edge of breaking, but I guess that's your choice. I wish you all the luck in the world, because you'll probably need it. If you don't want to depend on luck, get the transmission that was designed to go with the 2jz-gte - the V160.

[[SupraLEGEND]]

Originally Posted by pwpanas

A completely stock 2jz-gte means stock turbos...and 410rwhp is right at what most BPU 2jz-gte's do (6spd). The record for a new 2jz-gte with new oem twins, bpu'd, is about 475rwhp. Personally, I'd never run a tranny that was right on the edge of breaking, but I guess that's your choice. I wish you all the luck in the world, because you'll probably need it. If you don't want to depend on luck, get the transmission that was designed to go with the 2jz-gte - the V160.

Wait a second, I never said I have or am going to buy a Supra Turbo with a W58, lol. I know that the V160 is the ultimate tranny for the Supra Turbo, no doubt about that. Reason why I asked is because, I have the option of buying a stunningly beautiful JDM '93 RZ 6MT BPU++ or wickedly beautiful JDM '95 SZ turned RZ 5MT APU+. The '95 Turbo with 5MT just makes me wonder what the torque and HP characteristics are since it's unusual for the "Big Boss" GTE to be mated to what was designed for the "Boss" GE. I'm already leaning towards the '93 but, it's still a hard choice to make...

The previous owner of the '95 Supra clearly had the money to buy a Getrag if he wished but, since he didn't, perhaps it was built stronger or just his preference...

[pwpanas]

Originally Posted by [SupraLEGEND]

Wait a second, I never said I have or am going to buy a Supra Turbo with a W58, lol. I know that the V160 is the ultimate tranny for the Supra Turbo, no doubt about that. Reason why I asked is because, I have the option of buying a stunningly beautiful JDM '93 RZ 6MT BPU++ or wickedly beautiful JDM '95 SZ turned RZ 5MT APU+. The '95 Turbo with 5MT just makes me wonder what the torque and HP characteristics are since it's unusual for the "Big Boss" GTE to be mated to what was designed for the "Boss" GE. I'm already leaning towards the '93 but, it's still a hard choice to make...

The previous owner of the '95 Supra clearly had the money to buy a Getrag if he wished but, since he didn't, perhaps it was built stronger or just his preference...

Glad you're leaning towards not buying the SZ->RZ APU+ "Supra Turbo with a W58" 5MT . I'd be worried about what else wasn't upgraded on the SZ, like the brakes, ignition, suspension, etc.

[[SupraLEGEND]]

Originally Posted by pwpanas

Glad you're leaning towards not buying the SZ->RZ APU+ "Supra Turbo with a W58" 5MT . I'd be worried about what else wasn't upgraded on the SZ, like the brakes, ignition, suspension, etc.

Hehe, thought you'd say that. Alas, I am very impressed by the quality tuning work done on the Red Supra. Everything you mentioned has been given careful attention to. Would you like to know the list of mods to get an idea of what exactly has been done?? (You know you want to...) Of course, I'll give you the full run down of the RZ 6MT's upgrades as well which are oh, so nice

[pwpanas]

Originally Posted by [SupraLEGEND]

Hehe, thought you'd say that. Alas, I am very impressed by the quality tuning work done on the Red Supra. Everything you mentioned has been given careful attention to. Would you like to know the list of mods to get an idea of what exactly has been done?? (You know you want to...) Of course, I'll give you the full run down of the RZ 6MT's upgrades as well which are oh, so nice

Absolutely! ...looking forward to it.

[[SupraLEGEND]]

Originally Posted by pwpanas

Absolutely! ...looking forward to it.

Glad to hear it - here you go

'93 Supra RZ 6MT upgrades:

• ONE OWNER,
• FULL BODY KIT,
• HKS MUFFLER,
• BLITZ AIR FILTER,
• APEX'i REV & SPEED METER,
• HKS COIL OVER SUSPENSION KIT,
• RACING BLOW OFF VALVE,
• SPARCO OZ RACING "SUPERTURISMO" RACING SEAT X 2PCS,
• ALUMINUM 3 LAYER RADIATOR,
• BOOST GAUGE,
• TURBO TIMER,
• MOMO RACING STEERING WHEEL,
• 18" RACING ALLOYS

Mileage is a super low 65 000kms (sorry, not sure what that is in miles but either way, it is very low!!) As it is now, she produces an even bigger than stock HP at 336+.

'95 Supra RZ 5MT upgrades:

• FULL BODY KIT,
• GANADOR CARBON AERO MIRRORS,
• RACING BRAKE PADS,
• STAINLESS MESH BRAKE LINE,
• GT WING,
• LED TAIL LIGHT,
• HKS F-CON IS FUEL AND IGNITION TIMING COMPUTER,
• SARD RACING FUEL PUMP,
• TRUST RACING INTERCOOLER,
• TRUST OIL COOLER,
• HKS EVC5 BOOS CONTROLLER,
• FRONT PIPE,
• TRUST AIR FILTER,
• MUFFLER,
• OHLINS COIL OVER SUSPENSION,
• TRD 1,5WAY LSD,
• RACING CLUTCH,
• RACING BRAKE PADS,
• BRIDE "LOW MAX" HYBRID RACING SEAT,
• CARBON FIBER DETAILING ON THE DASH,
• TRD 320KM/H SPEEDOMETER,
• WORK XD9 18" RACING ALLOYS

Engine has just 63 000kms on the clock (super low!!)
Setup for a maximum of 1.2kg boost. Currently running at 1.0kg on stock twins (sorry, not sure about the PSi equivalent...). Clearly pushing out even more serious power than she does stock although I'm not sure of the actual figure.

As you can see they are both modified but, the red one has more mods. Excellent parts from excellent brands, professionally installed and setup. They are both giving me almost sleepless nights with excitement

[pwpanas]

Originally Posted by [SupraLEGEND]

...'93 Supra RZ 6MT upgrades:

• (I've deleted non-performance modifications)
• ...HKS MUFFLER,
• BLITZ AIR FILTER,
• HKS COIL OVER SUSPENSION KIT,
• RACING BLOW OFF VALVE,
• ALUMINUM 3 LAYER RADIATOR,
• BOOST GAUGE,
• 18" RACING ALLOYS

...As it is now, she produces an even bigger than stock HP at 336+...

Actually the oem Mkiv Supra Turbo typically dyno'd at about 320rwhp brand-new (US-spec)...which is about 375hp at the crank. Really.
Other critiques (just being honest here): This really is just a 'bpu' Supra, missing a downpipe, missing a BCC or FCD, and missing a boost controller. You'll need to add those two mods just to get it up to 'stage 1' - right now it's at about stage 0.5 . Sorry.

Originally Posted by [SupraLEGEND]

...'95 Supra RZ 5MT upgrades:

• RACING BRAKE PADS,
• STAINLESS MESH BRAKE LINE,
• HKS F-CON IS FUEL AND IGNITION TIMING COMPUTER,
• SARD RACING FUEL PUMP,
• TRUST RACING INTERCOOLER,
• TRUST OIL COOLER,
• HKS EVC5 BOOS CONTROLLER,
• FRONT PIPE,
• TRUST AIR FILTER,
• MUFFLER,
• OHLINS COIL OVER SUSPENSION,
• TRD 1,5WAY LSD,
• RACING CLUTCH,
• WORK XD9 18" RACING ALLOYS

Hmmm - you did say this is an SZ->RZ conversion, right? Did they change out the whole engine to a 2jz-gte, or did they just add an aftermarket turbo kit? Either way, why isn't that mod listed? Did they put an oem TT ignitor and coil packs in? If not, how is that FCON driving the spark?
Also, what about the inferior n/a brake calipers and inferior n/a abs system...were those upgraded too, and if so why aren't those mods listed? {I do agree the coilovers on this one are awesome, but why is he still running the oem sway bars?}

Pardon me for sounding a bit harsh - I'm just trying to ensure you see the full picture before you spend any of your hard-earned money on either of these two Supras.