Crazy Electrical issue with EFI system

MA70-3.0GT · 04-26-2010, 04:15 PM

have you tried the fp & b+ jumper trick in the diag. box yet? (check tsrm to make sure my memory's not lying on those terminals to jumper before you connect anything 'cause I ain't exactly on form today!!!).

This should result in the fuel pump running permanently with the ign. on & IIRC bypasses the relays & fuses. If the car's then running but rough & with seemingly random codes as you described then it could possibly be the ECU or it's connections/earthing, I'd check/double check/replace the cheap stuff first though as you've started doing, maybe even swap the fuse again in case it looks fine but is duff, I've had 'em like that before. (if it is gone again maybe check how much current the pump is drawing too?) and only spend on an ECU after you've exhausted every other route.

Cameroonski · 04-27-2010, 12:25 AM

Yes that was the first thing I checked was the jump between B and Fp. But there isn't power to B in the diagnostic box... so this is what i did today.

I checked power at BATT on the computer, it has 12v. I checked M-REL, it had .08v when it should have 12 (with ignition on). So I ran a long line for the BATT line from the computer to the correct wire on the junction box... making sure EVERTHING else was right... power to relay, to BATT, good ground, whatever was going through that relay i made sure was good. It wasnt working and still no power to M-REL with BATT hooked up like this... so the problem must be M-REL i think.

When i jump power to the side of the relay that goes through the resistor (M-REL side) the car runs and drives but idles up and down and crazy. It actually didnt drive too bad though. I basically hooked a hot wire straight up to the M-REL side of the relay b/c that was what the computer was not doing correctly... i think. so... ECU? I have the privilege of a parts car with a good ECU, it is just a bit of a drive to get there, so i cant exactly just switch them out right now, mabe by the weekend.

Any input? Thanks!

cre · 04-28-2010, 02:06 AM

+B and +B1 are not the same circuit as BATT.

Cameroonski · 04-29-2010, 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cre

+B and +B1 are not the same circuit as BATT.

The diagram says that BATT breaks off in between the fuse and the relay and goes to the computer. I was checking anything that had anything to do with that relay.

cre · 04-29-2010, 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cameroonski

there isn't power to B in the diagnostic box...

This is why I mentioned it.

cre · 04-29-2010, 02:26 AM

Okay, sorry... I looked back over what you're doing and see what you're doing... powering +B and +1B from the BATT line. IMO it would be better to bypass the relay directly than to introduce power from a line which is already running all over the place (noise) and may be suspect itself.

Oh, and the circuit opening relay which powers the fuel pump is switched by the main EFI relay AND the ECU has an emergency shutoff should it believe there is no air flow... so ECU and main EFI relay are both possibilities for no power to the fuel pump. The relay is more likely unless you've had a blown heater core steam the innards of the ECU.

Cameroonski · 04-30-2010, 01:45 AM

I switched out the ECU and the ignition switch today and still no luck. All my relays are good, they have been tested and switched and juggled and they work. My problem is this...

M-REL only has .08 volts at the computer, as well as at the EFI main relay with the ignition on. When I apply voltage to the computer side of the the resistor side of the relay, it works and the car turns on but with funky idle issues.

What i will do tomorow is do this bypass and see if im getting voltage at M-REL... i think. If i am, I know the wire is good, if not there is another problem somewhere else and im SOL.

Cre, thanks. Any other advice? I am totally confused here...

Cameroonski · 04-30-2010, 11:11 PM

Here's the update...

The Check Engine light was not coming on with the ignition on. It DOES come on when terminal W is connected to E1 (computer ground) as well as a body ground. The computer ground into the engine block is good.

I'm also getting these voltages...

BATT has 12v
M-REL still has about .08v
IG S/W had about 1.23v
+B is not getting anything

Also, on the Diagnostic Box...

From +B and the battery i have 12v, and from Fp and the batter i have 12v, but both to the same side of the battery and when i test it in between them it is 0v. Im not sure if this means anything...

All of this seems like the ECU is funky, but i have tried two different ECUs, and i find it highly unlikely that the same odd problem would lie in both. So short circuit somewhere maybe?

Please i need some help..

88'sup · 08-13-2022, 12:22 PM

What was the problem here? I have exact thesame issue! who can help me bringing my fully rebuild 88' back on the road again?

04-26-2010, 04:15 PM	#1
MA70-3.0GT 12psi boost Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Crewe, England Posts: 356	have you tried the fp & b+ jumper trick in the diag. box yet? (check tsrm to make sure my memory's not lying on those terminals to jumper before you connect anything 'cause I ain't exactly on form today!!!). This should result in the fuel pump running permanently with the ign. on & IIRC bypasses the relays & fuses. If the car's then running but rough & with seemingly random codes as you described then it could possibly be the ECU or it's connections/earthing, I'd check/double check/replace the cheap stuff first though as you've started doing, maybe even swap the fuse again in case it looks fine but is duff, I've had 'em like that before. (if it is gone again maybe check how much current the pump is drawing too?) and only spend on an ECU after you've exhausted every other route. __________________ '89 MA70 Supra GT aero 3.0turbo JDM, Rebuilt motor, K&N intake, 3" stainless turbo-back. New turbo and braided line kit... '89 Honda NC27 400, NC23 cams, open pipe, PC36a shock & possibly Showa USD forks... '83 Yamaha 29R XJ750E-II, number 69 off the line, only runner in the country? Original except Koni shocks '95 Honda PC26 CB500R, Winter hack, hateful, trying to sell it I'm not paranoid, they really ARE after me!!!

04-28-2010, 02:06 AM	#3
cre Toyota Racing Development Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 5,038	+B and +B1 are not the same circuit as BATT. __________________ If something breaks or you need to contact a member of the administration please post HERE. Unless it's a private or administration matter please post it on the forum. It benefits no one else if car related questions aren't posted for future users and takes away from the time I'm able to spend helping on the rest of the forum. If you're so inclined I'm always more than happy to accept tips via PayPal. Tip Jar --->

04-29-2010, 02:26 AM	#6
cre Toyota Racing Development Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 5,038	Okay, sorry... I looked back over what you're doing and see what you're doing... powering +B and +1B from the BATT line. IMO it would be better to bypass the relay directly than to introduce power from a line which is already running all over the place (noise) and may be suspect itself. Oh, and the circuit opening relay which powers the fuel pump is switched by the main EFI relay AND the ECU has an emergency shutoff should it believe there is no air flow... so ECU and main EFI relay are both possibilities for no power to the fuel pump. The relay is more likely unless you've had a blown heater core steam the innards of the ECU. __________________ If something breaks or you need to contact a member of the administration please post HERE. Unless it's a private or administration matter please post it on the forum. It benefits no one else if car related questions aren't posted for future users and takes away from the time I'm able to spend helping on the rest of the forum. If you're so inclined I'm always more than happy to accept tips via PayPal. Tip Jar ---> Last edited by cre; 04-29-2010 at 02:31 AM.

08-13-2022, 12:22 PM	#9
88'sup Stock Join Date: Aug 2022 Location: Holland Posts: 1	??? What was the problem here? I have exact thesame issue! who can help me bringing my fully rebuild 88' back on the road again?

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04-27-2010, 12:25 AM	#2
Cameroonski 3" Exhaust Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Austin, Tx Posts: 68	Yes that was the first thing I checked was the jump between B and Fp. But there isn't power to B in the diagnostic box... so this is what i did today. I checked power at BATT on the computer, it has 12v. I checked M-REL, it had .08v when it should have 12 (with ignition on). So I ran a long line for the BATT line from the computer to the correct wire on the junction box... making sure EVERTHING else was right... power to relay, to BATT, good ground, whatever was going through that relay i made sure was good. It wasnt working and still no power to M-REL with BATT hooked up like this... so the problem must be M-REL i think. When i jump power to the side of the relay that goes through the resistor (M-REL side) the car runs and drives but idles up and down and crazy. It actually didnt drive too bad though. I basically hooked a hot wire straight up to the M-REL side of the relay b/c that was what the computer was not doing correctly... i think. so... ECU? I have the privilege of a parts car with a good ECU, it is just a bit of a drive to get there, so i cant exactly just switch them out right now, mabe by the weekend. Any input? Thanks!

04-30-2010, 01:45 AM	#7
Cameroonski 3" Exhaust Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Austin, Tx Posts: 68	I switched out the ECU and the ignition switch today and still no luck. All my relays are good, they have been tested and switched and juggled and they work. My problem is this... M-REL only has .08 volts at the computer, as well as at the EFI main relay with the ignition on. When I apply voltage to the computer side of the the resistor side of the relay, it works and the car turns on but with funky idle issues. What i will do tomorow is do this bypass and see if im getting voltage at M-REL... i think. If i am, I know the wire is good, if not there is another problem somewhere else and im SOL. Cre, thanks. Any other advice? I am totally confused here...

04-30-2010, 11:11 PM	#8
Cameroonski 3" Exhaust Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Austin, Tx Posts: 68	Here's the update... The Check Engine light was not coming on with the ignition on. It DOES come on when terminal W is connected to E1 (computer ground) as well as a body ground. The computer ground into the engine block is good. I'm also getting these voltages... BATT has 12v M-REL still has about .08v IG S/W had about 1.23v +B is not getting anything Also, on the Diagnostic Box... From +B and the battery i have 12v, and from Fp and the batter i have 12v, but both to the same side of the battery and when i test it in between them it is 0v. Im not sure if this means anything... All of this seems like the ECU is funky, but i have tried two different ECUs, and i find it highly unlikely that the same odd problem would lie in both. So short circuit somewhere maybe? Please i need some help..

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