Down to two possible problems

supramacist · 05-23-2008, 05:41 PM

I had similiar issues on my 91 na.

I wonder if you have everything set to the correct stroke between the cams and the crank.

Bill UK · 05-23-2008, 07:49 PM

Your last post indicates starter motor or the thin wire going to the starter being the problem. Try this first; connect a wire (about 15 – 20 amp) to the small spade connector on the starter motor, there are only two wires going to the starter, (both are positive) one large red wire which is bolted on to the starter and one thin one that is connected to a brown shielded spade connector. The other end of the wire temporally insulate, you may find it easer to leave the existing small wire connected and just crimp or solder the extra wire as close as possible to where it connects to the starter. Turn on the ignition (make sure its not in gear) remove the temporary insulation from the new wire and touch the positive terminal on the battery. If it does start and you continue to have success, let us know.
I think the shock may be just static electricity some people are more sensitive than other to static. Try wearing cotton undies instead of nylon.

Micahwc · 05-24-2008, 11:05 PM

I have a really dumb, newby question. Where is the starter motor located? The TSRM shows what it looks like, as does the Haynes manual, but neither shows where it actually is located.

Thanks in advance

supramacist · 05-25-2008, 12:06 AM

Underneath the air intake on the intake side of the engine all the way back onto the tip of the bellhousing.

2 big a$$ bolts and a small group of wires are attached to its' belly.

Bill UK · 05-25-2008, 09:34 AM

Your need to crawl underneath to see the connections.

Micahwc · 05-25-2008, 09:01 PM

Well, I worked on it for a while today and it still isn't running, although I think we have ruled out some possibilities. For starters, we tried Bill UK's suggestion. We originally tried a 18 gauge wire, it over heated very quickly so we tried using an 8 gauge. We would get a spark at the starter motor end when we would do this, and then the car would die. If we disconnected the ground from the battery and reconnected it we had power again. Enough power to raise and lower the windows as well as turn on the radio.

We tried starting the car while jump starting it. The original problem occurred during this, that is, the car would crank well but not start. Once we disconnected the jumper cables, the car would revert to the problem described above.

Just as a reminder, when this battery was brand new, (about 2 weeks ago) the car started on the first try, but would lose all power once you turned it off. The car would do nothing when you turned the key, but if you jumped it, it would start on the first try.

While doing all of this today I did find a wire that had two spots about an inch long without any insulation on them, one of which looked burned pretty bad. I replaced it. I think it was a ground, it was located in the back passenger side of the engine bay and it connected the engine to the frame of the car. I replaced it with an 8 gauge wire because I have a lot of them.

I am inclined to think that it is a bad alternator, however, it should start when it is jumped if it is a bad alternator. Some sort of wire problem still seems to be a possibility. I think the starter is good because when I tried jump starting it cranked fine, it just didn't start.

Any ideas? Thanks, and sorry for the long post.

-Micah

supramacist · 05-25-2008, 11:20 PM

Pull the alternator.
Take it and have it tested.

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05-23-2008, 05:41 PM	#1
supramacist 1000whp postwhore Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Escape from the Prison Planet Posts: 1,356	I had similiar issues on my 91 na. I wonder if you have everything set to the correct stroke between the cams and the crank.

05-23-2008, 07:49 PM	#2
Bill UK AEM EMS Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: UK Posts: 891	Your last post indicates starter motor or the thin wire going to the starter being the problem. Try this first; connect a wire (about 15 – 20 amp) to the small spade connector on the starter motor, there are only two wires going to the starter, (both are positive) one large red wire which is bolted on to the starter and one thin one that is connected to a brown shielded spade connector. The other end of the wire temporally insulate, you may find it easer to leave the existing small wire connected and just crimp or solder the extra wire as close as possible to where it connects to the starter. Turn on the ignition (make sure its not in gear) remove the temporary insulation from the new wire and touch the positive terminal on the battery. If it does start and you continue to have success, let us know. I think the shock may be just static electricity some people are more sensitive than other to static. Try wearing cotton undies instead of nylon.

05-24-2008, 11:05 PM	#3
Micahwc Intake Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: johnson city TN Posts: 30	I have a really dumb, newby question. Where is the starter motor located? The TSRM shows what it looks like, as does the Haynes manual, but neither shows where it actually is located. Thanks in advance

05-25-2008, 12:06 AM	#4
supramacist 1000whp postwhore Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Escape from the Prison Planet Posts: 1,356	Underneath the air intake on the intake side of the engine all the way back onto the tip of the bellhousing. 2 big a$$ bolts and a small group of wires are attached to its' belly.

05-25-2008, 09:34 AM	#5
Bill UK AEM EMS Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: UK Posts: 891	Your need to crawl underneath to see the connections.

05-25-2008, 09:01 PM	#6
Micahwc Intake Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: johnson city TN Posts: 30	Well, I worked on it for a while today and it still isn't running, although I think we have ruled out some possibilities. For starters, we tried Bill UK's suggestion. We originally tried a 18 gauge wire, it over heated very quickly so we tried using an 8 gauge. We would get a spark at the starter motor end when we would do this, and then the car would die. If we disconnected the ground from the battery and reconnected it we had power again. Enough power to raise and lower the windows as well as turn on the radio. We tried starting the car while jump starting it. The original problem occurred during this, that is, the car would crank well but not start. Once we disconnected the jumper cables, the car would revert to the problem described above. Just as a reminder, when this battery was brand new, (about 2 weeks ago) the car started on the first try, but would lose all power once you turned it off. The car would do nothing when you turned the key, but if you jumped it, it would start on the first try. While doing all of this today I did find a wire that had two spots about an inch long without any insulation on them, one of which looked burned pretty bad. I replaced it. I think it was a ground, it was located in the back passenger side of the engine bay and it connected the engine to the frame of the car. I replaced it with an 8 gauge wire because I have a lot of them. I am inclined to think that it is a bad alternator, however, it should start when it is jumped if it is a bad alternator. Some sort of wire problem still seems to be a possibility. I think the starter is good because when I tried jump starting it cranked fine, it just didn't start. Any ideas? Thanks, and sorry for the long post. -Micah

05-25-2008, 11:20 PM	#7
supramacist 1000whp postwhore Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Escape from the Prison Planet Posts: 1,356	Pull the alternator. Take it and have it tested.