one of those questions: between 2JZ-GTE and RB26DETT

Supra2NR · 12-14-2006, 04:28 AM

2jz hands down
the block itself is solid
barely, and i mean minimum work needed for it
even the internals are strong
800 hp proven and tested
and i dunt even know if thats the max

peter88 · 12-14-2006, 10:29 AM

dont u think 800hp from a stock internal engine is abit bull? i mean that is way too much for a stock engine, wouldnt it be around 600 or 700?

800hp is enough to run wat 10's?? if it were true than evryone would buy a supra with the 2JZ

Isphius - Yes, Everyone would buy a 2jz TT supra, If they could afford the 30-40k market value.

Supra2NR · 12-14-2006, 02:48 PM

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dont u think 800hp from a stock internal engine is abit bull? i mean that is way too much for a stock engine, wouldnt it be around 600 or 700?

800hp is enough to run wat 10's?? if it were true than evryone would buy a supra with the 2JZ

if u ever get a chance to go to chicago next summer
as much as i hate this guy, his car is fast
mkiv single turbo conversion
800 rwhp, 9.5 all day 1/4 mile

and its no bull, cuz like i said if u can come to chicago
youll see

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800hp is enough to run wat 10's?? if it were true than evryone would buy a supra with the 2JZ

you know why not?
cuz that car has at least 100k to it thats why

Murd · 12-15-2006, 02:32 AM

another good example of stock internals reaching high HP is the 5.0 mustangs with forged internals. So yeah it's possible on certain cars.

Supra2NR · 12-15-2006, 04:06 AM

but how much money do u need to invest in that 5.0 run 9 secs constantly?

im dissin 5.0 cuz they are fast cars, but they are not the fastest tho

GoddardJock · 12-15-2006, 05:14 AM

Yeah, the 2jz-gte has been modded over 1k hp with NOS... although i hate NOS i thought i might just let you know. Some companies can get them into the 1k range with no NOS. *can you say serious cash?*

ARZ · 12-15-2006, 03:02 PM

There are a surprising amount of 2JZ's running 800 rwhp on stock internals. But one little mistake at that level and they usually put it back together with Forged Pistons at the very least.

That being said, your comparing a 2.6 liter world class motor to a 3.0 liter world class motor. You do the math.

I would think that if you were going to do something custom here in the states you would probably want to stick with the powerplant with the most support. That would be the 2JZ hands down.

Murd · 12-17-2006, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Supra2NR

but how much money do u need to invest in that 5.0 run 9 secs constantly?

im dissin 5.0 cuz they are fast cars, but they are not the fastest tho

Hehe wasn't saying I LIKED 5.0 mustangs, just that the stock internals are strong.

Supra2NR · 12-17-2006, 06:03 AM

I know
But the 2jz can handle 800 hp on stock internals with no problem

So anyways askin in a toyota forum which one ia better , ur jus gonna get a unanymous answer

Jus wondering did you ask this question in a gtr forum?

pwpanas · 12-20-2006, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by peter88

dont u think 800hp from a stock internal engine is abit bull? i mean that is way too much for a stock engine, wouldnt it be around 600 or 700?...

Actually, the 2jz-gte longblock (head+shortblock), totally bone-stock other than cams, has proven itself to reliably handle 850rwhp (1000hp at the crank). There are several examples over 800rwhp using a stock 2jz-gte on T04R.com, and other websites...here's just one:
http://www.t04r.com/member.php?show=marcus.frost

Also note that 850rwhp is nowhere near the max for the stock 2jz-gte, it's just the number that's often quoted as a max-with-reliability/longevity. However, almost 1100rwhp (almost 1300hp at the crank) has been produced on the dyno with a bone-stock 2jz-gte shortblock!

I agree that someone that hasn't heard about the 2jz-gte's capabilities might think that 800rwhp or even 800hp at the crank on a stock engine sounds like bull, but it really isn't!

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Originally Posted by peter88

...800hp is enough to run wat 10's?? if it were true than evryone would buy a supra with the 2JZ

Yep an 800hp Supra can easily run 10s with the right rims&tires, and a good driver. I'd have to guess that the 2jz-gte's capabilities are part of the reason that the MK4 Toyota Supra has kept such a high resale value.

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Originally Posted by ARZ

There are a surprising amount of 2JZ's running 800 rwhp on stock internals. But one little mistake at that level and they usually put it back together with Forged Pistons at the very least...

The mistake you're probably talking about is trying to run too much boost on pump gas...and yep that'll wreck any engine (no matter how much you spend on the internals). Properly tuned, and with a sufficient amount of octane in the tank, 800rwhp with a bone stock 2jz-gte is a walk in the park.

Sorry about the digression/thread-jacking ... to be honest I don't know much about the RB26DETT, but I have heard that it can't support anywhere near as much hp as the 2JZ-GTE in bone-stock form. Fully built, both the RB26DETT and the 2JZ-GTE are monster engines capable of 2000hp+. Fwiw, I agree with ARZ that the 2JZ-GTE has better support in the US...I'm not sure if that is also true in Australia though. My admittedly biased opinion is that a 2jz-gte would be the best choice.

12-14-2006, 04:28 AM	#1
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12-14-2006, 10:29 AM	#2
peter88 Stock Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: australia Posts: 6	dont u think 800hp from a stock internal engine is abit bull? i mean that is way too much for a stock engine, wouldnt it be around 600 or 700? 800hp is enough to run wat 10's?? if it were true than evryone would buy a supra with the 2JZ Isphius - Yes, Everyone would buy a 2jz TT supra, If they could afford the 30-40k market value. Last edited by Isphius; 12-21-2006 at 07:20 AM.

12-15-2006, 02:32 AM	#4
Murd 3" Exhaust Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Vancouver, WA. Posts: 233	another good example of stock internals reaching high HP is the 5.0 mustangs with forged internals. So yeah it's possible on certain cars. __________________ 1989 N/A Targa 5spd. Metallic Grey, w/grey interior. No mods done.

12-15-2006, 04:06 AM	#5
Supra2NR 1000whp postwhore Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Chi-Town Posts: 1,643	but how much money do u need to invest in that 5.0 run 9 secs constantly? im dissin 5.0 cuz they are fast cars, but they are not the fastest tho __________________ http://www.myspace.com/supra_2nr Into Bikes now,, apparently the supra couldnt kill me, so my zx6 might lol

12-17-2006, 06:03 AM	#9
Supra2NR 1000whp postwhore Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Chi-Town Posts: 1,643	I know But the 2jz can handle 800 hp on stock internals with no problem So anyways askin in a toyota forum which one ia better , ur jus gonna get a unanymous answer Jus wondering did you ask this question in a gtr forum? __________________ http://www.myspace.com/supra_2nr Into Bikes now,, apparently the supra couldnt kill me, so my zx6 might lol

12-15-2006, 05:14 AM	#6
GoddardJock Stock Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Kansas Posts: 7	Yeah, the 2jz-gte has been modded over 1k hp with NOS... although i hate NOS i thought i might just let you know. Some companies can get them into the 1k range with no NOS. can you say serious cash?

12-15-2006, 03:02 PM	#7
ARZ Intake Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mesa AZ Posts: 45	There are a surprising amount of 2JZ's running 800 rwhp on stock internals. But one little mistake at that level and they usually put it back together with Forged Pistons at the very least. That being said, your comparing a 2.6 liter world class motor to a 3.0 liter world class motor. You do the math. I would think that if you were going to do something custom here in the states you would probably want to stick with the powerplant with the most support. That would be the 2JZ hands down.