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[pwpanas]

Originally Posted by Dboz

im not starting an arguement here.. but

a mk4 supra on a real race course was always raced with a different engine.. 3sgte in most of them.. and now 3uz-fe v8's..

partially because the races have hp limits.. 600ish hp
but the engine is lighter and their torque is much more useable then a 2jz's
the corolla rally car was pushing out 300whp with 650 lbs of torque =D

thats why i think a 2jz mk4 supra is the best at on "the run" races on highways.. you ll smoke so many people haha

I agree with you about the 2jz-gte - given the horsepower restrictions in those races, it's just not the optimal choice. On the other hand, you have to admit the vast majority of the drivers that have roadraced the mk4 hard core with 3sgte's are at a skill level quite a bit better than intermediate-level.

[TONY!]

Folks, can we try really hard to keep it as civil as can be.

Thanks.

I really don't want to lock this thread up.



BTW Happy New Year to all!

[Dboz]

Originally Posted by pwpanas

I agree with you about the 2jz-gte - given the horsepower restrictions in those races, it's just not the optimal choice. On the other hand, you have to admit the vast majority of the drivers that have roadraced the mk4 hard core with 3sgte's are at a skill level quite a bit better than intermediate-level.

yea the 3sgte stroker 2.2L is more then sufficent to put out those hp reliablely and win races..

well it was up to toyota to use it.. i really wanna write a letter and ask them why they never really used the 2jz for any kind of race.. i know its whole lot heavier but still..

anyways check this supra out

[pwpanas]

Originally Posted by Dboz

yea the 3sgte stroker 2.2L is more then sufficent to put out those hp reliablely and win races..

well it was up to toyota to use it.. i really wanna write a letter and ask them why they never really used the 2jz for any kind of race.. i know its whole lot heavier but still..

anyways check this supra out ...

Thanks for posting those pictures - I agree that v8 looks kind of cool in a jza80 engine bay.

On the other hand, it's kind of a shame. With the bone-stock 2jz-gte block's ability to put out over 800rwhp, there's really no need to swap it out (imo). Personally, I'd rather see a 2jz-gte being used in a '68 Cuda than a V8 in a jza80.

[Dboz]

Originally Posted by pwpanas

Thanks for posting those pictures - I agree that v8 looks kind of cool in a jza80 engine bay.

On the other hand, it's kind of a shame. With the bone-stock 2jz-gte block's ability to put out over 800rwhp, there's really no need to swap it out (imo). Personally, I'd rather see a 2jz-gte being used in a '68 Cuda than a V8 in a jza80.

thats the 4.7 litre 2uz-fe =D.. its buttom end can take.. umm we dont know yet haha.. probely somewhere in the 1000+ range.. a bored out one to 5.3 did 1200hp with 20PSI.. lol

the power delivary on that v8 will put the 2jz to shame though

[pwpanas]

Originally Posted by Dboz

thats the 4.7 litre 2uz-fe =D.. its buttom end can take.. umm we dont know yet haha.. probely somewhere in the 1000+ range.. a bored out one to 5.3 did 1200hp with 20PSI.. lol...

Yup and a built 2jz-gte put out 1520rwhp through a powerglide transmission & high-stall torque converter.

Originally Posted by Dboz

...the power delivary on that v8 will put the 2jz to shame though

Although it might be capable of exceeding 1520rwhp, I sincerely doubt it'll ever make enough power to "put the 2jz to shame".

[Dboz]

Originally Posted by pwpanas

Yup and a built 2jz-gte put out 1520rwhp through a powerglide transmission & high-stall torque converter.
Although it might be capable of exceeding 1520rwhp, I sincerely doubt it'll ever make enough power to "put the 2jz to shame".

im sure the 2uz-fe buttom end is tough or tougher then a 2jz

a built one did 1600whp and probely more haha

its the power deilvary that will put it to shame.. 2jz's will suffer alot more boost lag then a 2uz-fe turboed.. torque numbers and plot will put it away too =D

[Dboz]

actually

the 2uz has really bad stock rods.. but the block itself is super strong just like all toyota iron cast blocks.. the pistons arent bad.. the crankshaft is like the 2jz and alot of toyota engines.. overbuilt!

just the huge displacement difference is the biggest advantage over the 2jz

anyways its new years time guys.. 2.5 hours left.. i gotta go party it up! woot

[pwpanas]

Originally Posted by Dboz

im sure the 2uz-fe buttom end is tough or tougher then a 2jz

a built one did 1600whp and probely more haha

its the power deilvary that will put it to shame.. 2jz's will suffer alot more boost lag then a 2uz-fe turboed.. torque numbers and plot will put it away too =D

It has 57% more displacement and two more cylinders, so I'd hope it would at least have some small advantage on an unlimited-budget sponsored-race-team type of build.

Do you have any more data on that one that did 1600whp? I'd be interested in learning more about it.

This does get a bit off-topic though. Although big single turbos, v8 engine swaps and nos are all ways to make more power, I'm waiting for SKILMATIC to fess up that he's way off base with his 650rwhp on stock block & stock twins GUESS. He guessed wrong - whether it was due to faulty arithemtic or his faulty knowledge about the size of the 2jz-gte's oem twins. I think it's pretty important that guys like Evilfurby don't go away from this thread thinking that he'll be able to make 650rwhp with his '97 mk4 tt, using only the oem twins and the stock block, after he buys it.

[SKILMATIC]

Originally Posted by pwpanas

Thanks for posting those pictures - I agree that v8 looks kind of cool in a jza80 engine bay.

On the other hand, it's kind of a shame. With the bone-stock 2jz-gte block's ability to put out over 800rwhp, there's really no need to swap it out (imo). Personally, I'd rather see a 2jz-gte being used in a '68 Cuda than a V8 in a jza80.

I totally agree with that. Plus the 2jz is lighter than the v8 which would inturn cause for better handling and better et's.

Although it might be capable of exceeding 1520rwhp, I sincerely doubt it'll ever make enough power to "put the 2jz to shame".

I also agree as well. One must calculate hp/weight.

This does get a bit off-topic though. Although big single turbos, v8 engine swaps and nos are all ways to make more power, I'm waiting for SKILMATIC to fess up that he's way off base with his 650rwhp on stock block & stock twins GUESS. He guessed wrong - whether it was due to faulty arithemtic or his faulty knowledge about the size of the 2jz-gte's oem twins. I think it's pretty important that guys like Evilfurby don't go away from this thread thinking that he'll be able to make 650rwhp with his '97 mk4 tt, using only the oem twins and the stock block, after he buys it.

And I am waiting for you to admit you debacled yourself. You just admitted it was attainable with the help of something so cheap as nitrous. I was waiting for you to notice your own flaw. This is the second time you have done this to yourself. I hope this isnt a habbit for you.