MKIII un-love...
 

This discussion may belong in Off-Topic, so it may be relocated but it is MKIII specific so I'm posting it here for now.


I found a rather blunt blog article with which I'm sorry to say I do agree on most points:

http://speedhero.wordpress.com/2010/...s-are-garbage/

Especially the burgandy thing! Arrrrgh!

So, let's have out with our MKIII frustrations and disappointments... If you feel the need go ahead and follow up what you do like; But I really want to hear some venting... scream therapy!

My biggest complaints are the pathetic 7M-GE and the weight of the car...

On the upside, with proper attention it does make for a nice powerful highway predator (but no where near as readily or cheaply as many other vehicles).

All I can say CRE is if you do not like it. Then do not buy it! I find my 86.5 7MGE to do well for me. I am NOT a racer and NOT a drifter. I drive my guy on weekends. I enjoy the comfort items built into the car.

Look at today's GM, Ford and Chrysler sports cars. They still use the engines of the 1960s for the most part. Fuel injection but they have lifting rods! The GM mechanic said "If it is not broken do not fix it". That type of thinking would still have 2 barrel Rochester carburetors on their low end engines. It is whats wrong with the thinking of the "big" three.

Remember also that the speed limit was the double nickel of 55 mph. Again my guy is great to romp around town and the country. Oh it you think the Supra is "bad", how about the Cameros and Firebirds from the same time? Try running a 2.8 litter V6 with an automatic. Then the suspension etc...

The article was about Toyota's offerings. I've owned a few old domestics... HATE them... You just had to bring up my least favorite carburator... HATED those too.


Anyway, as I said, just intended this to be a thread for venting our MKIII frustrations. I do still like the MKIII and think that it was way ahead of its time technologically in many, many ways... but nothing's perfect. ;) Try to take it in good humor. :bigthumb:

I read the post, and think that guy is full of hurt bcs he bought a 20 year old N/A that was probably flogged to death and spent two years and a boatload of money just trying to get it back to what it was 20 years ago, which was not the Corvette killer he thought it was, definitely not the N/A. Comparing it to a Chevy P/U? That's just plain simmering hurt.

And his number one fault is a burgundy interior? This was the late 80's. Everyone had a car with a burgundy interior, Chevy, Caddy, Ford, everyone.

However, since we are talking about things on the MK-III that annoy, I have a few. The first is the impossible location of the top bolt on the starter. I had starter problems a couple of years ago, and wound up removing it and replacing it three times. Each time, I found a few new cuss words as I tried to remove and re-attach that damn bolt.

The second is the hole drilled into the actuator plate on the brake pedal for the brake light switch. I understand they needed to fasten a rubber button to the plate to keep the switch quiet, but if it falls out, the plunger fits right into that hole.

The third is the blind nut on the clutch master cylinder. High up and hidden by wiring and modules under the dash, this bolt is H-E-!-! to remove and replace. Extensions and swivels are your only hope of getting it off.

There, I've said it, and now I feel better.

CRE was not at all offended. The MK III is really a touring car for people. It is not a racer, if someone wants to buy a racing car they should buy one. Got my guy almost done, need to do the interior and a couple of more things.

I think the 7mge pulls pretty good. I pulled about 2 cars on a 2004 VTEC hatchback with bolt-ons and I had a code 52 do to the knock sensor wire.

My biggest complaint is the horabble taste in the disighner that put sawblades on the mk3, just tasteless the 5 spoke would have done nicely

The sawblades are a subtle rip off from the Corvette wheels of the time... rip off is probably a bit strong but they've definitely taken a cue from the Vette.

freaking saw blades I hate those rims it takes a sst to do the balancing if you local alignment place or tires place doesnt have it no need to balance them, wich they will also tell you that it doesnt make a difference balancing is all the same it is not! found that out on the all data system

i got my own balancing machine so no worres for me but i dont know why toyota would try to copy a vett, iv always like there product for what it was not what it wanted to be

iv always like toyota products for what they are they shouldent try to imitate

and whats the deal whith the dampner on the rack and pinion, does it really serve a function or not. i got to replace it but if i handle a bit better whith it off why bother replacing?

Of course it has a purpose. On earlier models it's to help reduce the amount of pull you feel when encountering a rough driving surface or hit an obstruction. Beyond that you don't really notice if it's there or not under most driving conditions.... just a good friend for potholes.

you think i might get snapier respone at autocross whith it off or not that much to make a differance

Not much difference really.... but feel free to pull it off and go for a drive.

auto cross is coming up soon ill post any noticable diffrences whith it on or off as they come

I couldnt stand how the car would handle like a limp noodle with the targa off.... Can't stand that the targas always leak and seals are OUTRAGEOUS if u can find them! I personally am not a fan of the 7m in any way, don't take It wrong I kno they CAN make power. but needs some love to do it. JZ is the only way to go I loved my mkiii. But my Mk4. Was the best decision I ever made apart from swapping the 1j in place of the 7m

Hmm true my guy is a bit limp with the top off but I LOVE the sunshine *grins* I like the 7m because it takes work. Any fool can mash his foot down on the accelerator but my guy takes some thought. Even so I can hit over 80 on the on ramp of the turnpike. Since I live in Oklahoma it is unwise to speed. Got pulled over for doing 79 in the 75 in my old Fire Chicken. Got a warning but next time will not be so lucky. My Supra turns policeman's heads. So there you have it, I do not race on the track and more would just be more. Am planning on driving out to California this summer on route 66. The mother road goes right through my town. It should be a fun trip :)

im really not a big fan of removing the engine harness from my mk2 there is about half the room compared to the mark 3 good on them.
another thing i never liked was just the weight, and i wish there was options for different intake manifolds or possibly carb options... a triple or double weber 7mge would make some mean power... to hell with gas efficiency

and really... we could't move the upper 2 bellhousing bolts outwards a little more...

thats just my 2cents...

Sadly even ITB 7M-GE's don't gain much power.... that engine is pretty much maxed out as far as N/A applications go. I'm surprised they didn't go with a different, higher displacement offering... About the same time they started going with higher displacement engines for their N/A versions of vehicles with a F/I version.

lol or a coupe with only 2 seats, haha shorten it by 2 ft and take off 500 lbs:rofl: bet the 7m would rip then...

hell that sounds like a cool concept

But i like having my decorative rear seats that my 5,3 friend can barly manadge to fit inhttp://www.toyota-supra.info/forums/...ons/icon10.gif

lol. My interior is burgundy ya assholes. Haha. It may have its downfalls but i love working on my car and im never selling it. This is the first car that i've worked on extensively. If your a mechanic and u work on them as a job yeah that would suck. But its my hobby and i love it.

its alright i hate the blue just as much, i only like the red, TC, and black:dunno:
i really hate how we are all limited because of our afm and mafs... another good reason for me to try out a triple weber engine, throw away both intake manifolds, injectors all wiring, afm all that intake piping cut a hole in the hood and give it a 350 chevy filter :D

Im going to make my who body and frame out of re-enforced fiberglass to reduce weight and put in a 2jz with a single turbo. Then we'll see who hates MK3's lol

Given that you will have then removed 90% of what makes it a MKIII (unreliable, fat cow) yes, it'll probably rock!




J/k... :D

Should of painted him bright pink! Instead I went with the red/purple color.

just read this.. HAH! agree.. period red is not my favorite.

the red only goes good with white.

IMO even on white it doesent really do it for me. i like the grey on metalic black

A mk3 supra isn't that heavy. You just need to find the right car to compare to like a 2012 Fisker Karma weighing in at 5300lbs. :D

According to MotorTrend it's only 4100lbs; Car and Driver estimates 4300lbs.... BUT with over 400whp electric.... keep looking. :bigthumb:

Oh man. Ive been looking to buy an MKIII. Should i reconsider? lol

Sorry it was the Karma Ecochic and I found it in a recent issue of Car and Driver that it was listed with a curb weight of 5297lbs.

Oh, most of this thread should not be taken too seriously.... except for the red interior thing.

Ecochic.... Eco - Chic.... Eco = Ecosystem != Economical.... The answer's in the name if you interpret it correctly; It has fish tanks and a small lawn in the back seat! :p

Seriously though, a hybrid 4dr sedan which real-world road tests show only get 20MPG? It'll sell too, because it's "hybrid".

The grey of my cars interior is quite drab. Red would look a not nicer. My guy is so drab that the Amish would approve of it, as long as it was pulled by a horse ;)

Fish tanks in a car, the C&O railroad put fish tanks in one of its lounge cars. The fish were killed by the motion of the car.

Would love to change my guy over to natural gas. There is lots of it here in Oklahoma and I think the price is going to up soon on petrol. If there is a war with Iran there will be severe rationing.

Yes Fisker does did get some criticism because of its mpg rating. So what ever happened to the electric powered mk3 that was on here?

That would have been Dan. A VERY impressive build/conversion! He was a moderator on here, resigned and created a new account. He only posted a couple times with the new account and I don't think he's been back at all in quite a while.

But you can check that monster out here:
http://www.ddmcse.com/amped/blogs/index.php

I would love to do something similar with a MR-2, Elise or maybe a boxster of one form or another... a small 2 seater.

I would buy one.... If i wasent brokehttp://www.toyota-supra.info/forums/...cons/icon9.gif

ill keep my teal color and leather seats. =-)

i know this is a bit off topic but to quote what i said earlier "whats the deal whith the dampner on the rack and pinion, does it really serve a function or not" i just came back from autocross, i tryed it whith it on and off. whith it off the steering feels more natural (easier to handle) but on the road i felt no diffrence on bumps, but also the dampner i have is compleatly shot and doesent do much of anything but randomly compress and tug the rack and pinion arm. Basickly i like it off but i would like to try whith a new one but im not paying 300$ to try it outhttp://www.toyota-supra.info/forums/...ons/icon12.gif

any why is every thing for a mk3's suspension expensive weather its ball joints or bushings its all very expensive.... not somthing i would have expected from toyota, maby lexus