Intake Pipe Connector Question

dlfred · 05-14-2010, 11:05 AM

Figured there was something to it, so what you are saying CRE is that you should not remove it? What will removing it do to performance?

And by the way, this is looking it up for me.

907mge · 05-14-2010, 07:53 PM

I never noticed a problem nor a decrease in preformance or mpg's. With so many people taking them out, wouldn't more people have said something. Unless there is some solid proof to keep it in i'd leave it out.

cre · 05-14-2010, 08:28 PM

people are idiots.... I don't claim to be the exception. do some research. there's a great article out there about why Yamaha spends MILLIONS on designing their resonators.

907mge · 05-14-2010, 08:50 PM

Then why does my 2zzge designed by yamaha run better with the K&N Intake with just a curved open pipe.

cre · 05-15-2010, 01:25 AM

It most likely doesn't, you may just be imagining it in most places in the power curve. The resonator is a neutral device in some locations in the curve, like any musical instrument they're tuned for a very specific range... the weak spots.. that's where the most noise is made and as such where performance takes the biggest hit. In some systems this hit is minimal due a more efficient design of the rest of the system, staged throttle bodies and so on. There are also very different types of noise removal devices... some really are only for making things quieter and some do cause a small level of restriction... not the case here.

Here, read through the following link... last time I'm searching info for others. There is a TON of information about this topic by people far more qualified than garage motor heads who half drunkenly assume that added noise = more power.
http://www.supramania.com/forums/sho...ight=helmholtz

K&N makes VERY poor filters by the way (this too is available on the net

)... let's also cut to the chase on a couple other things while we're at it: larger diameter intake AND exhaust piping are not always a good idea (ESPECIALLY on a N/A); and a larger air filter that's sitting in a hot engine bay, sucking up air that's 20 degrees or more above the outside air temp causes BIG losses in power. You don't see a huge change in mileage because you're actually getting LESS air.

I'm done. Find your answers and think what you like it's obvious I'm not going to convince you and you're definitely not convincing me.

dlfred · 05-15-2010, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cre

Here, read through the following link... last time I'm searching info for others. There is a TON of information about this topic by people far more qualified than garage motor heads who half drunkenly assume that added noise = more power.
http://www.supramania.com/forums/sho...ight=helmholtz

K&N makes VERY poor filters by the way (this too is available on the net

)... let's also cut to the chase on a couple other things while we're at it: larger diameter intake AND exhaust piping are not always a good idea (ESPECIALLY on a N/A); and a larger air filter that's sitting in a hot engine bay, sucking up air that's 20 degrees or more above the outside air temp causes BIG losses in power. You don't see a huge change in mileage because you're actually getting LESS air.

I'm done. Find your answers and think what you like it's obvious I'm not going to convince you and you're definitely not convincing me.

Cre,
I thought that asking questions and discussing possibilities was one of the benefits of a forum. I did some research but since I consider this site a research spot. I don't mind looking around for answers but what I found here was a concentrated source of info. I am new but without this forum I would have struggled much more. I don't adhere to every opinion posted, it is my responsibility to determine if the info I get is usable. The value of what each person has to say can be supported or dismissed all on the same page.
You have a huge impact on the site when it comes to solid tech help. I appreciate it. If this has become a burden or thorn in your flesh, I get it. I have similar experiences in the motorcycle industry, stupid people are out there.

If I am using the forum incorrectly I would prefer you tell me.

cre · 05-15-2010, 06:59 PM

No dlfred, it's not you....Just really feels like lately right after someone asks a question everyone sticks their fingering in their ears. I deal with with enough of this at work that I guess I'm expending the sum of my patience there. I'm sorry about that. I'm really not trying to attack anyone, just getting grumpy about the whole "but, but, but" replies with no supporting info ever posted instead (not that that would have made any difference, I too had my fingers in my ears). I definitely shouldn't have started complaining about people not searching for the right info right away... that was a knee-jerk reaction.

I don't think any losses experienced from removing this are considerable, but I can't be sure, mine is the only N/A I've ever removed it from but the intake was already significantly modified due to the removal of the VAFM. Personally, I feel the 7M-GE is a platform which was merely *pretty good* for its time; which left the factory putting down pretty close to it's limits. I've seen enough people prove that you can't gain even 10HP with any simple mod and others prove through their own disappointment that by dumping more than a few thousand dollars into the engine you'll still end up putting down under 300HP at the wheels.... so, do whatever it takes to make you like it, just don't do it for power gains and don't believe anyone who tells you these "free power adders" actually work... they don't.

Synopsis: I AM grumpy and bitter. Resonators are not always just an audible noise control. Ar filters open in the engine bay = BAD. Big after market parts manufacturers make and sell what people buy, not always what actually performs. And I need to take a vacation.

907mge · 05-15-2010, 11:05 PM

My answer to the open filter in a hot engine bay. Atleast a start for now. And I don't know why the K&Ns get so much heat because the TRD filter I took out of my Celica seems to be made of the same wire mesh and cotton filter material.

05-14-2010, 11:05 AM	#1
dlfred 3" Exhaust Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Georgia Posts: 66	Figured there was something to it, so what you are saying CRE is that you should not remove it? What will removing it do to performance? And by the way, this is looking it up for me. __________________ 1986 Supra 3.0 NA Stock 5 Spd. Lexus rims 16 x 7

05-14-2010, 08:28 PM	#3
cre Toyota Racing Development Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 5,038	people are idiots.... I don't claim to be the exception. do some research. there's a great article out there about why Yamaha spends MILLIONS on designing their resonators. __________________ If something breaks or you need to contact a member of the administration please post HERE. Unless it's a private or administration matter please post it on the forum. It benefits no one else if car related questions aren't posted for future users and takes away from the time I'm able to spend helping on the rest of the forum. If you're so inclined I'm always more than happy to accept tips via PayPal. Tip Jar --->

05-15-2010, 01:25 AM	#5
cre Toyota Racing Development Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 5,038	It most likely doesn't, you may just be imagining it in most places in the power curve. The resonator is a neutral device in some locations in the curve, like any musical instrument they're tuned for a very specific range... the weak spots.. that's where the most noise is made and as such where performance takes the biggest hit. In some systems this hit is minimal due a more efficient design of the rest of the system, staged throttle bodies and so on. There are also very different types of noise removal devices... some really are only for making things quieter and some do cause a small level of restriction... not the case here. Here, read through the following link... last time I'm searching info for others. There is a TON of information about this topic by people far more qualified than garage motor heads who half drunkenly assume that added noise = more power. http://www.supramania.com/forums/sho...ight=helmholtz K&N makes VERY poor filters by the way (this too is available on the net )... let's also cut to the chase on a couple other things while we're at it: larger diameter intake AND exhaust piping are not always a good idea (ESPECIALLY on a N/A); and a larger air filter that's sitting in a hot engine bay, sucking up air that's 20 degrees or more above the outside air temp causes BIG losses in power. You don't see a huge change in mileage because you're actually getting LESS air. I'm done. Find your answers and think what you like it's obvious I'm not going to convince you and you're definitely not convincing me. __________________ If something breaks or you need to contact a member of the administration please post HERE. Unless it's a private or administration matter please post it on the forum. It benefits no one else if car related questions aren't posted for future users and takes away from the time I'm able to spend helping on the rest of the forum. If you're so inclined I'm always more than happy to accept tips via PayPal. Tip Jar --->

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05-14-2010, 07:53 PM	#2
907mge 20psi boost Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Harrisburg Posts: 759	I never noticed a problem nor a decrease in preformance or mpg's. With so many people taking them out, wouldn't more people have said something. Unless there is some solid proof to keep it in i'd leave it out.

05-14-2010, 08:50 PM	#4
907mge 20psi boost Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Harrisburg Posts: 759	Then why does my 2zzge designed by yamaha run better with the K&N Intake with just a curved open pipe.

05-15-2010, 06:59 PM	#7
cre Toyota Racing Development Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 5,038	No dlfred, it's not you....Just really feels like lately right after someone asks a question everyone sticks their fingering in their ears. I deal with with enough of this at work that I guess I'm expending the sum of my patience there. I'm sorry about that. I'm really not trying to attack anyone, just getting grumpy about the whole "but, but, but" replies with no supporting info ever posted instead (not that that would have made any difference, I too had my fingers in my ears). I definitely shouldn't have started complaining about people not searching for the right info right away... that was a knee-jerk reaction. I don't think any losses experienced from removing this are considerable, but I can't be sure, mine is the only N/A I've ever removed it from but the intake was already significantly modified due to the removal of the VAFM. Personally, I feel the 7M-GE is a platform which was merely pretty good for its time; which left the factory putting down pretty close to it's limits. I've seen enough people prove that you can't gain even 10HP with any simple mod and others prove through their own disappointment that by dumping more than a few thousand dollars into the engine you'll still end up putting down under 300HP at the wheels.... so, do whatever it takes to make you like it, just don't do it for power gains and don't believe anyone who tells you these "free power adders" actually work... they don't. Synopsis: I AM grumpy and bitter. Resonators are not always just an audible noise control. Ar filters open in the engine bay = BAD. Big after market parts manufacturers make and sell what people buy, not always what actually performs. And I need to take a vacation.

05-15-2010, 11:05 PM	#8
907mge 20psi boost Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Harrisburg Posts: 759	My answer to the open filter in a hot engine bay. Atleast a start for now. And I don't know why the K&Ns get so much heat because the TRD filter I took out of my Celica seems to be made of the same wire mesh and cotton filter material.