Supra or Bmw?

[SKILMATIC]

Originally Posted by Greglatta

Did you not look at what I said at the end? 1996 bmw M3 316 hp from a 3.2L while the supra makes 2.8L makes 220

Dude are you kidding me? Where are you getting that number? The 96 M3 never came stock with 316hp. Seriously, look at any car fax report on either msn autos or do a car search like kelley blue book. All it came with was a 3.2l with 240hp. Ignorance is bliss aint it? The kbb value on it right now in good condition is 14-16grand and has a 5sp manual tranny that gets approximately 28mi/gal on the freeway. It has 236pds/tq @3800rpm with a 24valve DOHC head. The bore and stroke is 3.40x3.53 with a compression ration of 10:5.

Now do I need to school you again? Show me one link where it said that the BMW stock off the dealership lot came with 316hp. You show me this I will bow down to you. However, if you want I can show you at least a dozen links that back my info.

[SKILMATIC]

Now I do know the 01 BMW M3 COMES WITH A 3.2L WITH 333HP. But thats 5 yrs newer. So thats not a real comparison.

Now I will say BMW has made some engine advancements over the years while toyota has kinda stopped for some reason. But it doesnt ignore the fact that toyotas motors are wthout a doubt arguably one of the best most long lasting motors known to mankind. Also did you know that consumer reports have it that in 2005 the best vehicles in 9 different classes were the following: family sedan-honda accord hybrid, smal SUV-subaru forrester, midsized SUV-Lexus RX330, upscale sedan-acura TL, luxury sedan-LS430, 3row SUV-honda pilot, minivan-honda odyssey, fun to drive-subaru impreza(STI), green car-toyota prius.

Now in all 9 cars I did not see 1 german car or american car on there. 3 of the 9 were toyotas while 2 were subarus and the rest hondas. Gee go figure. Like I have been saying all along. And you made me actually research it and I came to find what I have been saying all along was true. lol

[SupraMan1784]

yea man...the 96 m3 did come with a i6 3.2L 240 hp motor....not 316, not sure where your getting that information, but im totally behind skilmatic on this one, show us where ur getting that info...and are you sure that m3 is not modded? skilmatic's math still is right...3.2 240 vs. a 2.8 220? the supra still has more hp/liter

[SKILMATIC]

Originally Posted by SupraMan1784

yea man...the 96 m3 did come with a i6 3.2L 240 hp motor....not 316, not sure where your getting that information, but im totally behind skilmatic on this one, show us where ur getting that info...and are you sure that m3 is not modded? skilmatic's math still is right...3.2 240 vs. a 2.8 220? the supra still has more hp/liter

Yeah I dont know what this guy is talkin about.

[SKILMATIC]

Originally Posted by SKILMATIC

Yeah I dont know what this guy is talkin about.

Meaning gregletta you are right on supraman

[Greglatta]

Originally Posted by SKILMATIC

Dude are you kidding me? Where are you getting that number? The 96 M3 never came stock with 316hp. Seriously, look at any car fax report on either msn autos or do a car search like kelley blue book. All it came with was a 3.2l with 240hp. Ignorance is bliss aint it? The kbb value on it right now in good condition is 14-16grand and has a 5sp manual tranny that gets approximately 28mi/gal on the freeway. It has 236pds/tq @3800rpm with a 24valve DOHC head. The bore and stroke is 3.40x3.53 with a compression ration of 10:5.

Now do I need to school you again? Show me one link where it said that the BMW stock off the dealership lot came with 316hp. You show me this I will bow down to you. However, if you want I can show you at least a dozen links that back my info.

They down chip the m3s when shipped to us

[Greglatta]

But why are we arguing about hp/litre when my question was which is faster

[SupraMan1784]

they probably reflash the chip to make less power to comply to the smog laws in teh us...so are you talking about a us m3? or a euro m3? hp/liter shows the efficiency of the motor, the more power it makes per liter the more efficient teh motor is...makes sense right? but if in terms of being faster? http://www.albeedigital.com/supercou...0-60times.html according to that website teh supra n/a has a 6.9sec 0-60 and a 15.2 1/4 mile and a 96 m3 has pretty much a 6.6-6.7s 0-60 and a 14.9-15.3 1/4 depending on which model you have...not sure what luxury is but ill assume its stick, so i guess its fair to say that the m3 is quicker, but you call also say that any n/a supra can hang with any m3, a stock mk4 turbo supra would roast a 96 m3 any day...just some additional information, oh and this also comes down to the driver and how good they are...a good driver would be able to achieve times like these...an inexperienced driver would not...

[Greglatta]

Yea I didnt want to sound like a jerk on the forum but yea the euro version makes 300+ in 1996 and they downchip to make it meet the pollution of or something like that, heres a link that i found that helped alot http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M3

[SKILMATIC]

Originally Posted by Greglatta

Yea I didnt want to sound like a jerk on the forum but yea the euro version makes 300+ in 1996 and they downchip to make it meet the pollution of or something like that, heres a link that i found that helped alot http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M3

Ok well are you going to import that BMW here? Cause if you do your looking at aver 70grand to make it legal here in the US. Now a 93 tt supra costs around 20-25grand. Let me put 40grand into it to make the cost even and the supra is faster in every aspect shape and form hands down. You cant equivocate a 70,000dollar car to a 30,000 dollar one. Thats not fair. If you want to be fair you must equivocate cost/hp to hp/liter efficiency. Which the supra wins hands down. But go ahead and buy your 70,000 dollar car. I will meet you at the track. We will see who wins. And then after you hand over your pink slip I will be 70,000dollars richer even though I warned you. Im sorry but in my opinion comparing a bmw to a supra is just stupidity. Look at the cars that are making impressive numbers at the track. However, if you are that stuck on the e46 then its your loss.

Just a side note I raced a e46 on the freeway with my 96 saturn sc2 with about 200whp and just incinerated it all day. BMW's are just bad whack jobs. Now if you really want a nice german performance car go with porsche.