Auto or Manual?

[pwpanas]

Originally Posted by theWeezL

More consistent yes
Faster? who says..where do you get this idea? Im curious to know what your reasoning is.

It's not really reasoning, it's based empirical results (mostly from my experience with the Mk4 Supra Turbo). It's VERY hard to get a bpu++++ 6spd Mkiv Supra tt in the 11s, but to get a bpu++++ auto Mkiv Supra tt in the 11s is no problem. Also, take any 10 second, 800rwhp+ Mkiv Supra Turbo 6spd, and then swap in a 'built' oem auto or a TH400 in it, and (with no other changes) suddenly it becomes a 9 second Mkiv Supra Turbo. On average, an auto will shave over half a second off an Mkiv Supra's 1/4 mile time.

Perhaps this might not be generally true for cars running the 1/4 in 16s ... but for fast, higher horsepower cars, no human can shift as fast as a built auto. I don't mean to be immodest, but I can shift a manual extremely fast...however I've ridden in Mkiv's with a built auto and there is no pause at all when they shift - the car is just instantly in the next gear before you can blink, with absolutely smooth/constant acceleration. Generally, I'm a fan of manual tranny's...they're much more fun to drive...and they're superior for roadracing. On the dragstrip though, they're the wrong tool for the job (edit: in a MK4 Supra) if you want to win.

[theWeezL]

Well, yes but your refering to an extremely high horsepower car using a built automatic. I could reference Pro-Stock drag racers who dont use automatics almost to the man. They use 4 spd clutchless transmission sure, but I hope you see the point.

Take a stock mk4 6 speed and a stock auto to the track...put a good driver behind the wheel of both...and I'll put my money on the stick.

But, regardless of who's opinion is more valid, when it comes to daily driving...Stick VS auto is purely a subjective and personal thing.

[pwpanas]

Originally Posted by theWeezL

Well, yes but your refering to an extremely high horsepower car using a built automatic...

Actually my first example was an (approximate) 400rwhp bpu++++ Mkiv Supra with stock tt's AND with a stock auto tranny. Maybe it's not low horsepower example, but imo it's certainly not "extremely high" (relative to the 1000hp+ Mk4s that are almost commonplace these days)...

Originally Posted by theWeezL

...I could reference Pro-Stock drag racers who dont use automatics almost to the man. They use 4 spd clutchless transmission sure, but I hope you see the point...

...Keeping this whole discussion in context, I don't know of any Pro-Stock Mk4 Supras that are using clutchless 4spds (especially street-driven ones). Also, based on how much BIGDOM likes cornering too, I doubt he's is looking to convert the "twin turbo Mk4 Supra" he's planning to get into a Pro-Stock car with a clutchless 4spd. ...I hope you see my point as well.

Originally Posted by theWeezL

...Take a stock mk4 6 speed and a stock auto to the track...put a good driver behind the wheel of both...and I'll put my money on the stick...

I agree that, since the 6spd gets a little more horsepower to the ground than the auto, a bone-stock MK4 6spd may have a very slight edge with a great driver...but put a simple bleeder-T, downpipe, a BCC, and average drivers in both cars... and (ime) the auto wins consistently.

Originally Posted by theWeezL

...But, ...when it comes to daily driving...Stick VS auto is purely a subjective and personal thing.

Agreed. Fwiw, that's why I first clarified BIGDOM's exact application before advising him on transmission selection.

[BIGDOM]

I think ill stick to manual guys, cos i intend to keep it when i get one.
Im currently chatting to a guy at southhampton import center uk. Hes really helpfull and say he can soures an avarege condition an milage one for me for about 6k all incluesive from japan! althow i have wonderd about getting one from the the u.s?

[theWeezL]

I am the first to admit Im not exactly a drag racing guy, but, even though your arguements for an Automatic on the strip "seem" valid on the surface, I remain skeptical.

I'll put my mostly stock mk3 n/a 5spd up against the same with an automatic on the strip anytime.

as for the reference to pro stock supra's...never heard of one...I was referencing the real "pro" pro-stockers, commonly refered to as door slammers.

But its a moot point and hardly worth bickering over...I only posted here to voice what "I" would buy...and I'll leave it at that