11-03-2011, 07:57 PM
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Using multiple maps?
Hey all... I'm getting a supra soon and i just have a question concerning the ecu as I am trying to plan ahead. I had an sti but I didn't get far enough into it before I gave it up to get familiar with this stuff. I remember talking to people about standalone ecu's, piggyback chips, and plug n play programmers. Basically when I get a supra I want to be able to use multiple maps so that I can have a range of hp that I can use either towards fuel economy or with the flip of a switch I can take down vettes ect. Of course I plan on doing this after I've modded the engine, how what I go about doing this and what piece of electronic equipment would I need. Thx
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11-03-2011, 08:43 PM
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Most of all the standalones out there will allow u to save multiple maps on the laptop used for tuning. But then need hooked up to the ECM to be reflashed with tune of your choice. I am not familiar with any that u can change tunes with a push of a button all though they might be out there.
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11-04-2011, 10:28 AM
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1) A fuel efficient vehicle can also be a high horsepower vehicle. There are several reasons for this, not the least of which is that your cruising rpm range and load is a very different part of your fuel/timing map than the high load, high rpm (and subsequently high boost) part of your fuel/timing map. 2) The Mkiv's ecu can't be 'chipped' or reprogrammed. There is an expensive procedure to add a 'daughter board' to allow the oem maps to be replaced, but most folks go straight from piggybacks to standalone ecu replacement. 2) A standalone ecu replacement is very pricey. It's at least $2500 for everything you need (including sensors), and then that much again for a *proper* tuning job. The oem Mkiv TT ecu (with piggybacks) will take you to 700rwhp (6spd) and beyond. To me, spending the coin for a standalone is only necessary above 800rwhp... 3) Piggyback ecu's (eg. an A'PEXi AFC Neo) can allow you to create a quickly-changed fuel map for a lot less $$$ than a standalone ecu. 4) The use of race fuel together with high boost is a legitimate reason to keep a secondary map handy. A secondary map is not necessary for fuel economy vs. horsepower if both would be on pump gas. Above all (relative to your situation): - Be sure to get an Mkiv TT (not an n/a) - Read through the basic BPU modifications. These will get you significantly more horsepower than stock, with a minimal expense. http://www.mkiv.com/faq/faqtt.html#bpu1 Consider mastering this level before moving on to anything fancy like multiple maps. Please read through these points, and post any followup questions you might have.
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11-04-2011, 11:03 PM
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It would be great if I actually knew how a piggyback or a stand alone ecu works... I understand what they do but I don't understand how they do. Does a stand alone completely replace the stock ecu and does a piggyback plug into the stock ecu? Also is a piggyback programmable or does it just come with a base map?
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11-05-2011, 02:37 AM
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They're not popular among the MKIV crowd for some reason, but the MAFT Pro is compatible and has two maps for fuel, boost and ignition... and yes, you can wire in a switch to change it on the fly.
Yes, standalone EMS = An all in one engine management system.... technically the stock system is a standalone as no functions are passed on to external devices for processing. A piggyback is a device which attaches to your EMS and serves to alter or reinterpret data.
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11-05-2011, 03:39 AM
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oh man that is way cool... thanks for the clarification. What you described as not popular for MKIV owners I would agree except now days you have fuel economy to worry about as fuel cost almost $4 a gallon. Also this might seem extreme but my idea is to put an extra fuel tank in... like a 5 gallon or so to keep down on weight and be able to pull up to a stop light next to oh say a new Z06... purge the fuel line switch maps and burn rubber!
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11-06-2011, 10:04 PM
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