Cobra Guys dissin Supra TT

[Greglatta]

Originally Posted by j3pz

not hating on domestics but all people do to them really is exhaust, intake, and a supercharger. you see mustangs all around also, why is that? they are cheap, not bad, but cheap. they have potential just like any car, add a little money, boom you got ### horsepower. but personally i think if you go dollar to dollar, pony to pony, imports will get down the street/track first...depending on the driver of course

saleen is domestic is it not? does it really matter if its domestic or not isnt it the amount of money the company invests to make the car? think about how much ferrari invests into each car, thats why they are so highly regarded as being the best of the best the name says it honestly would you rather have a hyundai that posts the same numbers as a ferrari at the same price?

[Isphius]

well comparing modified cars is a waste of time too. stock is really the only benchmark. i can get an 88 dodge daytona with a 2.2 turbo and have it running 11s for way less money than either car....this is all just a matter of opinion. I say if you dont own/ have raced/have owned the car...dont say anything about how fast it is. for example...i have an 88 n/a. itll beat a 91 v6 mustang.... haha.

[Greglatta]

Originally Posted by j3pz

not hating on domestics but all people do to them really is exhaust, intake, and a supercharger. you see mustangs all around also, why is that? they are cheap, not bad, but cheap. they have potential just like any car, add a little money, boom you got ### horsepower. but personally i think if you go dollar to dollar, pony to pony, imports will get down the street/track first...depending on the driver of course

pony to pony? haha id rather have the 500hp new c6 zo6 then a 500hp supra, the suprs would cost around the same and it wouldnt handle as well and the cars balance wasnt meant for 500hp. Honestly why compare cars anymore they all had their purpose.

[Greglatta]

Originally Posted by RedSupra87

Greglatta and Poodles,interesting conversation to get into.I think as well as tons of other people in or out of the industry agree that pound for pound the Vette is the best sport car for the price.A modded Supra could beat a Vette in the 1/4 so what.Ive seen VW bugs beat 911's and a Chevy Chevette beat a Corvette.On the track anything can happen with the right driver and the right settings.Really what Im trying to say is anything can happen on the street or the track.Its not all about horsepower yadda yadda.If you dont have skill all the horsepower in the world wont mean a damn thing.

So true, I took out my moms imported m3, 1999 and it was homecoming senior year, :-/ so we pull up next to a guy in some ricer it had a turbo and exhaust what I could tell from the eye didnt get to stop and look at it but he pulled up next to us, we had 4 people in the car and amazingly my friend was driving the 2nd leg of the trip, next thing you know he missed 2nd gear, honestly 1st to 2nd should never be missed, but we still won, back to the point the better the driver the better chance of winning

[SKILMATIC]

Originally Posted by Greglatta

Amazing to compare the new corvette to a supra, just plain stupid, even if it did beat the z06 in a 1/4mile try taking it to the track dont say that the supra will go with the z06

Actually, the corvette is a great car however the supra in a track(whethor it be drag or circuit) will decimate any corvette you throw at it even the new c6's. Now I am not talking a stock supra I am talking a full moded one vs a full moded vett.

Hell I have seen a supra beat a viper and a 360modena. I was astonished myself. And I wouldnt be suprised if you didnt beleive me neither. However, allI have to say is archive top gear or best motoring. In those segments the only car that beat the supra was a porsche 911turbo. The cars were a supra, porsche911turbo, 360modena, 355spyder, audi RS6, viper, vett c6, vett ZO6, BMW M5, BMW Z8, MERCEDES SL65, and of course lastly their own XJ220. Now of course the XJ220 beat it no problem a matter of fact on that track it was a whole 2 seconds faster than the porsche. But I though it was pretty amazing here this 30grand car was holding its own not to mention beating these 100grand cars.

[Greglatta]

Originally Posted by SKILMATIC

Actually, the corvette is a great car however the supra in a track(whethor it be drag or circuit) will decimate any corvette you throw at it even the new c6's. Now I am not talking a stock supra I am talking a full moded one vs a full moded vett.

Hell I have seen a supra beat a viper and a 360modena. I was astonished myself. And I wouldnt be suprised if you didnt beleive me neither. However, allI have to say is archive top gear or best motoring. In those segments the only car that beat the supra was a porsche 911turbo. The cars were a supra, porsche911turbo, 360modena, 355spyder, audi RS6, viper, vett c6, vett ZO6, BMW M5, BMW Z8, MERCEDES SL65, and of course lastly their own XJ220. Now of course the XJ220 beat it no problem a matter of fact on that track it was a whole 2 seconds faster than the porsche. But I though it was pretty amazing here this 30grand car was holding its own not to mention beating these 100grand cars.

but skil, the new z06 was 2nd fastest production car to go around the nurburing or whatever its called track, only to the carrera gt, the 2006 corvette z06.

[SKILMATIC]

Originally Posted by Greglatta

but skil, the new z06 was 2nd fastest production car to go around the nurburing or whatever its called track, only to the carrera gt, the 2006 corvette z06.

When? In 05 or 06? Also the fastest production car can be interpreted many ways because define fastest? Is it the fastest in a circuit, rally, drag, D1, grand touring, or grand prix? There are many different aspects of the word fastest. IMO and I am sure someone here will have a better link or resource for this the fastest production cars all around are the Ford GT-40, XJ220, the porsche 750, Zonda, and enzo. O and have you ever heard of the aerial atom? That car would decimate just about any car on any circuit track.

[2jpowered]

The new C6 z06 is a monster. Yes its faster than any modified supra or ENZO or McLaren F1 on the Nurburgring track-STOCK.(Anything that runs the nurburgring in under 8 minutes is fast). Blitz had a fully built, 750hp supra with full suspension-the works and it ran around 7min 50 seconds or so. The base model C6 vette does it around 8 minutes. The C6 could of gone faster on the nurburgring, but jan got air twice. That car is very well built for a factory car(its as close to a race car as it gets folks). The corvettes chassis/suspension design is race car derived. The vette has balance. It is purely a race car at heart. The supra, skyline are not(They use conventional layouts like every other car). Its funny how people compare cars. The supra was originally made to compete against the 300zx, camaro, mustang, 3000gt, etc. But since the supra is very tunable, many have compared, and run against the bigger dogs like the vette or viper. We are gonna need that new supra super car now to keep up on the track. The mkiv is outdated. I own a supra so Im not taking sides. The new vette isnt anything like its predecessor. Its a killer.

[2jpowered]

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[Isphius]

Originally Posted by 2jpowered

"The new C6 z06 is a monster." "We are gonna need that new supra super car now to keep up on the track. The mkiv is outdated. I own a supra so Im not taking sides. The new vette isnt anything like its predecessor. Its a killer."

I dont think any car company can really keep up wit hthe corvette at this point. GM has so much dam money that they can spend 2 million dollars engineering a brake line better and cheaper than anyone else, and thats why they can make that car badass and still cheap. that takes a lot of money. Im sure toyota could if they were set on it, im sure theve got quite a bit of money too. Id like to see one of the newer toyota v8s in the supra, same getrag transmission, but all new car. lighter would help too. the zo6 is 500hp and 3100lbs, need at least that lol.