Cobra Guys dissin Supra TT

[Isphius]

That would be sweet. now we can just wish for toyota to do somethign lol. im sure they have the resources/money

[Greglatta]

Originally Posted by pwpanas

If the 2jz-gte came with bigger sequential turbos and water/meth injection from the factory, there'd be no need to go to a different engine OR for the owners modify their cars to put down 600hp. With those two bolt-on mods and a lightweight hydro-formed chassis, and the MK5 Supra is back on top.

So you're saying that a 600hp could put the new corvette to shame? I would love to differ the suspension would have to change the chassis and 600 of hp from turbo is no where as nice as 500 from n/a pure displacement

[pwpanas]

Originally Posted by Greglatta

So you're saying that a 600hp could put the new corvette to shame? I would love to differ the suspension would have to change the chassis and 600 of hp from turbo is no where as nice as 500 from n/a pure displacement

At the very least 600hp, together with a lightweight hydro-formed chassis, would make the MKV Supra Turbo competitive with the C6 Z06. Imho, there's nothing wrong with the current structure/geometry of the jza80's double-wishbone suspension; add a set of Moton/Penske/Ohlin coilovers (perhaps as a factory option, like the fluid definition of a 'stock' Viper ACR), and it's more than sufficient. Niceties aside, and all else being equal/similar (weight, rubber, etc.), horsepower wins races...

[pwpanas]

Originally Posted by 2jpowered

The new C6 z06 is a monster. Yes its faster than any modified supra or ENZO or McLaren F1 on the Nurburgring track-STOCK.(Anything that runs the nurburgring in under 8 minutes is fast). Blitz had a fully built, 750hp supra with full suspension-the works and it ran around 7min 50 seconds or so. The base model C6 vette does it around 8 minutes. The C6 could of gone faster on the nurburgring, but jan got air twice. That car is very well built for a factory car(its as close to a race car as it gets folks). The corvettes chassis/suspension design is race car derived. The vette has balance. It is purely a race car at heart. The supra, skyline are not(They use conventional layouts like every other car). Its funny how people compare cars. The supra was originally made to compete against the 300zx, camaro, mustang, 3000gt, etc. But since the supra is very tunable, many have compared, and run against the bigger dogs like the vette or viper. We are gonna need that new supra super car now to keep up on the track. The mkiv is outdated. I own a supra so Im not taking sides. The new vette isnt anything like its predecessor. Its a killer.

Fwiw, the Mkiv Supra was designed to compete against the Vette. I have a copy of the original Toyota marketing video (VHS format) to prove it. Imo at the time it came out (1993) it was every bit as much racecar as a 'vette (yes even the ZR1).

[Greglatta]

Originally Posted by pwpanas

Fwiw, the Mkiv Supra was designed to compete against the Vette. I have a copy of the original Toyota marketing video (VHS format) to prove it. Imo at the time it came out (1993) it was every bit as much racecar as a 'vette (yes even the ZR1).

You do realize that we are talking about the new c6 which is 2005+ and it would walk all over a stock supra no if ands or buts, the new vette was only bettered by the porsche carrera gt and thats a 600k dollar car I think you thinking of older vettes

[pwpanas]

Originally Posted by Greglatta

You do realize that we are talking about the new c6 which is 2005+ and it would walk all over a stock supra no if ands or buts, the new vette was only bettered by the porsche carrera gt and thats a 600k dollar car I think you thinking of older vettes

You may be talking about the new c6 vette, but that's comparing apples to oranges as they say. Let's compare what was available when the Mkiv Supra TT came out in '93 to get a fair comparison.

[Greglatta]

Originally Posted by pwpanas

You may be talking about the new c6 vette, but that's comparing apples to oranges as they say. Let's compare what was available when the Mkiv Supra TT came out in '93 to get a fair comparison.

The whole concept of a corvette coming into this thread was with a new c6, look back on the first page. And no its not comparing apples to oranges if some of you guys say that moddy supra can take a c6 z06

[pwpanas]

Originally Posted by Greglatta

The whole concept of a corvette coming into this thread was with a new c6, look back on the first page. And no its not comparing apples to oranges if some of you guys say that moddy supra can take a c6 z06

Ok I agree that a modded Mkiv Supra Turbo to a bone-stock C6 Z06 is a fair comparison, since the C6 Z06 benefits from 12+ years of technology/materials/manufacturing advances, 12+ years of racing industry experience, AND (most importantly imo) the Mkiv Supra TT design to study and take advantage of.

So let's go with that comparison: Do you agree with what we "say that a moddy supra can take a c6 z06"? ...or are you saying it's not possible to mod an Mkiv Supra Turbo to hang with a c6 z06? If your perspective is the latter, then what about the Blitz-built 750hp supra ("7min 50 seconds or so" @ Nurburgring) that 2jpowered mentioned?

[Greglatta]

Originally Posted by pwpanas

Ok I agree that a modded Mkiv Supra Turbo to a bone-stock C6 Z06 is a fair comparison, since the C6 Z06 benefits from 12+ years of technology/materials/manufacturing advances, 12+ years of racing industry experience, AND (most importantly imo) the Mkiv Supra TT design to study and take advantage of.

So let's go with that comparison: Do you agree with what we "say that a moddy supra can take a c6 z06"? ...or are you saying it's not possible to mod an Mkiv Supra Turbo to hang with a c6 z06? If your perspective is the latter, then what about the Blitz-built 750hp supra ("7min 50 seconds or so" @ Nurburgring) that 2jpowered mentioned?

well his info on the c6 doing it in 8 is wrong, the c6 z06 did it in 7 min 42.2 sec 2nd fastest production car to go around it, Im sure a moddy supra could hang with it in 1/4 but if you were to take it to the track the light weight of the corvette and the 505hp and god knows how much torque make it a amazing track car. He was talkng about the base model c6 not the Z06 version