Fwiw, the Mkiv Supra was designed to compete against the Vette. I have a copy of the original Toyota marketing video (VHS format) to prove it. Imo at the time it came out (1993) it was every bit as much racecar as a 'vette (yes even the ZR1).

You do realize that we are talking about the new c6 which is 2005+ and it would walk all over a stock supra no if ands or buts, the new vette was only bettered by the porsche carrera gt and thats a 600k dollar car I think you thinking of older vettes

You may be talking about the new c6 vette, but that's comparing apples to oranges as they say. Let's compare what was available when the Mkiv Supra TT came out in '93 to get a fair comparison.

stock tt supra 6 speed would actually be a good race between a cobra. They are similar in 0-60 and 1/4 times. But what most people dont know about mustangs... their top speed sucks dick. If the race was a long one 1/2 mile or so id bet my house on the supra. (i dont have a house ha ha)
as for the vr4. well wich one? they are all diffrent
if it was a 99 vr4 (legit 99 vr4) then it would be the same as the supra a good race but the vr4s top speed isnt like the supras, its less.

cobras cost too much for their performance imo.
kinda like the 06 eclipse LOL.

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i saw something about the c6 zo6, I DEFENATLEY dont think that a c6 z06 could beat ANY modified supra. If the modded supra had over 470 rwhp it would beat the z06. But then again if you lingenfelter twin turbo this car expect numbers like this 0-60 1.76 ..... 1/4 mid low 8 seconds. And yes its a street car and still can daily drive.

The whole concept of a corvette coming into this thread was with a new c6, look back on the first page. And no its not comparing apples to oranges if some of you guys say that moddy supra can take a c6 z06

Ok I agree that a modded Mkiv Supra Turbo to a bone-stock C6 Z06 is a fair comparison, since the C6 Z06 benefits from 12+ years of technology/materials/manufacturing advances, 12+ years of racing industry experience, AND (most importantly imo) the Mkiv Supra TT design to study and take advantage of. :)

So let's go with that comparison: Do you agree with what we "say that a moddy supra can take a c6 z06"? ...or are you saying it's not possible to mod an Mkiv Supra Turbo to hang with a c6 z06? If your perspective is the latter, then what about the Blitz-built 750hp supra ("7min 50 seconds or so" @ Nurburgring) that 2jpowered mentioned?

well his info on the c6 doing it in 8 is wrong, the c6 z06 did it in 7 min 42.2 sec 2nd fastest production car to go around it, Im sure a moddy supra could hang with it in 1/4 but if you were to take it to the track the light weight of the corvette and the 505hp and god knows how much torque make it a amazing track car. He was talkng about the base model c6 not the Z06 version

Qft. Fwiw, I agreed that the c6 z06 is an "amazing track car"...but imo so is a "moddy supra".

The question you haven't answered is: Do you think an Mkiv Supra Turbo could be modified to hang with a 100% bone-stock c6 z06 on a roadrace track (eg. N?rburgring, TWS, Roebling Road, Sebring, Road Atlanta, Barber, Laguna Seca, etc.)? A simple 'yes' or 'no' will do fine.

Maybe depends on how much they put into it but it would not be worth it to keep up with the vette

Ok, I'm glad you now appear to agree that it is possible to modify an Mkiv Supra Turbo to keep up with a stock c6 z06 on a roadrace track.

Now all we're talking about is money...as you say whether or not it would be "worth it" to modify an Mkiv Supra Turbo to hang with the stock c6 z06. Since a loaded c6 z06 costs about $75K, would you agree that this would be a fair total 'budget' for the Mkiv Supra Turbo buildup (including the cost of the car)?

They are 10k less then that, $65k, but then again what happens when you get this much performance out of your supra, then you start limiting the block on that supra.

Sure, if you exclude tax, tag, title, undercoating, spit-polishing and all the other stuff dealers hit you with to be able to drive their top-of-the-line off the lot. ...but just for fun, let's say $65k is the budget. You're saying there's no way to take a decent-condition Mkiv Supra Turbo (purchased for about $20K, if you look & neogtiate with any effort), put $45,000.00 worth of upgrades into it, and not have it hang with a stock c6 z06?

Supra is old the technology isnt there to compete with the z06, there is carbon fiber all over the corvette

No, I know you could make a mkiv to compete with the z06 and infact beat it but honestly, the supra will still be the supra, the corvette is a supercar the supra a sports car

Imho/fwiw, I'd take a fast supra over a slow supercar anyday. :)

So the Z06 is slow?

No, but the designation "supercar" on it's own isn't worth a hill of beans, imo. Even you agree a "moddy Supra" could take a brand new c6 z06. As non-technical as this thread is, it seems to be about whether the Supra deserves to be 'dissd'. I'm sure that one day a brand new whatever will come out that will put even a modded Supra to shame...but until then the Cobra and the 'Vette boys need to keep the 'dissin' to themselves, imo.

Technically alot fo cars can put a modded supra to shame, you just have to compare the modded supra other modded cars.

Ok, pick one...any full production car from the early '90s that sold for under $100K.

1998 chevrolet camaro z28 330 hp $17,000 brand new

Not exactly from the *eary* '90s, but just for fun let's use it to compare: You're saying this '98 camaro z28, modded, could put an Mkiv Supra Turbo, modded, "to shame" on a roadrace track? If so, what would you present as a basis for that assertion?

toyota still produced supra in 1998 did they not, it could be faster and its cheaper to

i don't see the point of all this debate.

i like mustangs, and camaros because their's lots of potential for these cars at the track. they're fast, powerful, and competitively priced.

but a supra is a supra. it's slick.

i personally don't like japanese automobiles, but i do like the supra because of it's overall value in the market. they're very appealing. but i would have to agree, dollar for dollar japanese automobiles don't stand a chance in a race...

the 98 cobra is fast, but i'll take a supra with zero miles on the odometer over ten of those anyday.

Let's follow the ball here. Are you saying that a '98 camaro z28, modded, could put an Mkiv Supra Turbo, modded, "to shame" on a roadrace track? If so, please present your basis for that assertion.

race cars:
7:01 --- 176.152 km/h -- Manthey Porsche GT3 race car, 493 PS (AutoBild 06/04), www.manthey-motors.de/nextshopcms/cmspdf.asp?id=217
7:10 --- 173.100 km/h -- BMW M3 GTR, 450 PS/1350 kg, Joerg Mueller (practice 24hrs race 03)
7:12.25 173.500 km/h -- Schnitzer BMW M3 GTR, Dirk Mueller, 24hrs race practice (02)
7:20* -- 168.545 km/h -- Opel Astra DTM V8 Coupe, 500hp, set-up for 24hrs race (sport auto 03) *estimated
7:21 --- 168.163 km/h -- Blitz Supra, 650 PS (Autocar magazine 97)
7:25 --- 168.651 km/h -- Alzen Motorsport Porsche 996, 24hrs race, Uwe Alzen
7:36 --- 162.631 km/h -- AC-Schnitzer M3 CLS II E36, 350 hp, Michelin Sport Cup R , Mattias Ekblom
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche GT3 RS, stock but Pirelli P Zero Corsa, Mattias Ekblom (ams)




The other Blitz Supra did 7:21 on the long track of nurburgring, with less power. This one is a race car though, comparable to the C6 Zo6 with minor mods. Car set-up and driving play a big part, too. Sorry if this whole topic went south. Yes, any car can be modified to be faster in all aspects than the next. Its a food chain for cars.

Im saying its cheap compared to cars of similar perforamnce, ie viper or the new ford gt40, which both cost more. And for it to be considered a stock car, to compete with something likel the corvette they need a 500-600hp motor in there from the factory, they cant just hope that everyone will modify there cars as soon as they buy them.

If the 2jz-gte came with bigger sequential turbos and water/meth injection from the factory, there'd be no need to go to a different engine OR for the owners modify their cars to put down 600hp. With those two bolt-on mods and a lightweight hydro-formed chassis, and the MK5 Supra is back on top. :)

That would be sweet. now we can just wish for toyota to do somethign lol. im sure they have the resources/money

So you're saying that a 600hp could put the new corvette to shame? I would love to differ the suspension would have to change the chassis and 600 of hp from turbo is no where as nice as 500 from n/a pure displacement

At the very least 600hp, together with a lightweight hydro-formed chassis, would make the MKV Supra Turbo competitive with the C6 Z06. Imho, there's nothing wrong with the current structure/geometry of the jza80's double-wishbone suspension; add a set of Moton/Penske/Ohlin coilovers (perhaps as a factory option, like the fluid definition of a 'stock' Viper ACR), and it's more than sufficient. Niceties aside, and all else being equal/similar (weight, rubber, etc.), horsepower wins races...

N/A is better horsepower then turbo, no turbo lag

Yes, but who races in the lag portion of the rpm band? Answer: Nobody, ever.

have fun always running your turbo engine at 7k goodluck with a long track and reliability.

Hello! Newb here, to chime in... In stock form, i'd be inclined to give the edge to the SVT in the 1/4 mile, but it could also be a driver's race. Being RWD, both the Supra and the Cobra probably fall back to the VR4 from a dig, but the AWD drivetrain costs a VR4 about a 30% HP loss to the wheels from a substantial roll. This is why they tend to trap lower IMO, and I feel in stock form, the VR4 would be the slowest of the 3. (3,800 lbs doesn't help much)

I'd give the edge to the MKIV from a roll, and total top end, over the stock Cobra. Both the MKIV and the SVT take to mod's greedily. The SVT is prolly cheaper to mod though. It can go either way...add a big single and a few other goodies to an MKIV, and it may not win in the 1/4, (without a shot of NOS to spool it) but it will rape most SVT's from a roll, and way up top.

As for the new ZO6...that's a bad ass car. I believe the magz ran a mid 11 with it in stock form, with the WHP being like 459. Stock on stock, The Z06 wins. Modded, it depends. Unless the z06 has LF heads, and either a SC or turbo/s, I can't see it beating a big single MKIV up top. Keep in mind, the displacement factor too....Those who bitch about the Supra being a turbo, and the Z06 being NA, it SHOULDN'T be a legit gripe, being as the Supra has less displacement to start with.

I'll end by saying: They are all neat cars, and I am not biased. I like all fast cars, and to each indivdual owner, their car is unique for it's own reasons. Be safe, and keep the great posts/information coming!

dont confuse mine and pw's convo about na to turbo power, we werent saying that cause the supra has a turbo its unfair to compare i mean look at displacement 3.0-7.0 obvious difference

Yes, and when an APU MkIV Supra runs 29+psi of boost, it's a virtual 9.0+L. I agree the comparison is unfair.

This is a valid point, I guess. But I often hear people complain (usually NA domestic guys) that forced induction or "power adders" are unfair advantages when comparing a NA & a blown car of lesser displacement. To me, fast is fast...period! Doesn't really matter how you get there, just how fast you get there.

Whiners... ;)

Agreed!