Whats is A Turbo Kit
 

i need everybody's attention on this one
i have another farfetched idea, which if turns out right will benefit all of us

what consists of a turbo kit, better yet who understands completely how a turbo works.

how fast do you think is the velocity of the air that comes out of a turbo that goes to your engine.

what does it take to spool.

if you dont install a traditional turbo. do you still need to modify your air/fuel mixture.

do i need a bigger fuel pump too or the afm will automatically adjust to this mod.

is there's anything that i missed please point it out , any other thing that concern turbos please point it out. i never had a car with turbo b4 so im new to this, yet im willing to change how we look at turbo's already lol

what if i tell you guys that i got an idea , to replace traditional turbos.

one thats electric, no waiting for spooling since its always on. no need to tap oil return pans,

the only challenge is to come up with enough electricity from the 12 volt system

i wont tell you guys what it is right now , sicne im afraid of being ridiculed in the forum

one again i need everybody on this

mr.nickley,supragirl,weezl, and everybody else give me sum answers

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Elect...QQcmdZViewItem


It's so cute.... lol

im sorry to sound harsh , but not that one you idiot,

that thing only spins air around , i got sumthing that can suck air in and throw it out with a higher velocity,

you betta not meant cute as in my idea was cute

please dont undermind me, i might not know everything, i might only have a brief idea on how everything works, but this doesnt mean that im stupid

that supercharger that you showed looks weak, i got sumthing that can throw air about 20-30 mph, with out anything attch to it, that may b reduce once tha filter is attached to it but , i dont think that electric supercharger can compete wit my idea,

jus so everybody knows , this is another ghetto idea of mine, if everything is good hopefully it'll help everybody here with a n/a engine

LOL, Relax please, I was just pointing out that your not the first one to think of it. It was posted as a joke and not meant to make fun at you, but at it (the link I posted)..

In my opinion, the idea is ok except for the whole power problem... I like the idea of using a supercharger to spool a turbo better. A hybrid system...
I am not an idiot and I do not like you calling me one...:frown:

I say good day!

Which Joel gave you.
Well that is all you described and for what you described, you got an answer.
If you later say "that is not what I meant you, idiot" you would be in the wrong because you never explained it enough to distinguish it from what Joel showed you.

It would be like me saying, "it has wheels and a motor" then you say, "a car" then I say, "no, a motorcycle, you idiot"
Based on what you described, you got a valid answer.

Leave the name calling out of threads as that is a rule here, whether it be written or not.


As far as Joel, he is a moderator of another forum and a great contributor on this one as well. He is a pretty good natured person as I have dealt with him and seen many many of his posts. I doubt he ever intended anything mean-spirited, and I don't know where you got off thinking so.

i did say sori, so anyways , one thing im concerned is, its constantly spooling, so i was wondering would this affect the afm, since if there's air pushing the trap door constantly, would that affect the fuel delivery?

once again im sori for the name calling hope you accept my apologies
im really sori , took the reply the wrong way

can anybody do the equations,, how many miles per hour does the air that comes out of lets say a 15 psi boosting turbo does?

anybody, cuz im roughly estimating that the air that comes from this yet to be mentioned equipment is about 20-30 mph

dont wanna say what it is cuz everybody's gonna think this is a joke

It's ok man, apology accepted...:)

As for your question on A/F ratio's, I would think it would affect it being always on..

As far as turbo outlet velocity, I have heard that a typical turbo output velocity should be below Mach 0.4 or 304mph to maintain throttle response. This is dependant on turbo size and the IC pipe sizing.

And thank you.. TONY!

IMO!!!!
Electric superchargers are a waste. Buy a leaf blower!

::edit:: Actually, if you're really serious about doing some twin-ESC setup, hook them up to a relay, and then activate the relay using a WOT switch. Whether it really be at WOT or 1/2 throttle, that way you won't have boost at idle.

so ok would the stock fuel pump deliver enough fuel so i wont run too lean and screw up my engine , i think i heard stock fuel pumps for the turbo and the n/a are the same, dunno tho 4got,

which relay?? wot?? whatta what what? jus a lil bit more specific please, like i said b4 im new to this

so ok would the stock fuel pump deliver enough fuel so i wont run too lean and screw up my engine , i think i heard stock fuel pumps for the turbo and the n/a are the same, dunno tho 4got,

which relay?? wot?? whatta what what? jus a lil bit more specific please, like i said b4 im new to this

and its not an electric supercharger, why do peole think thats what im gonna do?
is it bcoz it jus had a sudden surge in the market? if you get those its only a 5% increase on your hps, not really worth it since it costs around 250

I dont know what you got planned, but while it sounds like a possible good idea, knowing you '2NR it will be made out of some odd concoction of bits and pieces from Home Depot......Oh wait, thats what I do!

I think it would need to be well thought out and the major hurdle would be making it work within the ECU system. Which is why making it work only on WOT is a sound idea.

Dunno bro, but if you need a good backyard engineer let me know...Im always cooking something up

Wot =
 

Wide Open Throttle. The AFM is before the turbo so I think that you would have to put it after the AFM for starters.

, its jus gonna b in the intake, so i guess now we got two challenges

1) how to get bigger power from the 12 volt system?
2) how to control the unit so there's no boosting at idle?

anymore that you can add
i know there's a lot of talented people here thats why i stayed in this forum

an inverter could solve the power problem , i got a 700 watt one but even that dosent hoold enough for it

so now, how do you hook up the w.o.t. (once again new to this)
and the e.c.u. problem any solutions for that

one more thing im concernd with hooking this up to a relay is tha fact that this unit uses high voltage, i dont think any of the relays in the 12 volt system would b strong enough to hold it, im jus gonna make a switch in the gas pedal, that it only works everytime i step on it, maybe that will work what do you guys think

thats right,,,, the gas pedal has sum freeplay on it right??, if i could the wires in between the pedal, it would only touch each other when i step on em, what do you guys think?

and another thing about the afm, i dont think it would matter either its before or after the afm, thing unit sucks in air (lots of it) thats why it gave me the idea to put it in my intake, plus if i put the afm back in front, there would b no spce anymore, thats another challenge: fitment

tell me were not talking about a vacuum cleaner motor...

i know i have came up with some odd comments but damn
god no, hell no, now why would i do that? but i know now that i need to buy a stronger inverter for this to work, hopefully it will, then im gonna bringt it down to the races see how well it does with this huy that i know he has a 87 supra turbo, ill tell you guys how much improvement the car will have after that

from your description, it does sound like an e-supercharger, even if its not what you ment, just what it sounds like. you havent given us a description or any other reason to think other wise. ive seen one(esc) somewhere on the net that requires its own battery or two, has a switch, and only works for so long because it drains the power so quickly. lemme dig it up
edit:
1. http://www.electricsupercharger.com/index.shtml
2. http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/0406tur_knight/

still not that one,, are my injectors big enough? thats one more thing that im concerned about, or its only enough to handle the n/a system?

injectors
 

how big are the stock injetors , in a stock n/a

i think stock injectors are 440cc, or maybe thats what you're supposed to get with the lexus afm, i dont remember. sorry bout the post, just trying to understand what you're talking about and trying to make.

ok maybe this will clear it up a little bit,

were the stock inectors from a stock n/a only designed to handle to stock system

what if you get a bigger intake more than the conventional cone-filter 3 inch pipe

would it still be able to deliver enough fuel , so i wont risk running too lean and cause engine damage

this is what my project include, a unit that sucks air in basically forces air into the intake, and im think of making a 3 1/2 intake or maybe four when im done
or would this be too much

Any electric motor isnt going ot make much boost, maybe 2 psi at its highest, And the stock fuel system will be fine with that. An indsutry standard is to make it about 10% higher load rating than it will ever need, which on an na supra is 240 hp. I dunno if thats right, but its a safety thing with most fuel injection. That and supras just run rich all the time anway. Im sure those e-ram things would work, pressure is pressure. I had the idea of a controllable supercharger years ago in 8th grade, But by runnign it off of hydraulic pressure. I even designed a control system for it that used a planetary gear driven by hydraulic pressure and a pressure valve that turned it on and off, That way you could have XXpsi at any rpms, or be turned off completely, As long as the car was on. And now mazda is developing something like that for the rx-8. Go figure.

Injectors
 

I don't know how accurate this info is but there are several sites that have the same info.
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/p...Injectors.html

You will have to make sure that if you do swap injectors that the plugs are the same or you will have to swap plugs to the new style. If the pins are the same you just have to unlock the pins from the old plug and insert in the new one. So much cleaner looking than cutting and spicing.

once again ,, please this is not an electric supercharger, not e-ram not the one on ebay

the way i calculated it, it can do about 7-8 psi, not much but better than what i have right now which is 0 psi, so no electric supercharger

if anyone know how much are those dtec piggyback systems are the a/f one holla back at me

well because, it would actually work quite well, its small, has an almost identical design to a Turbo, and can be had for about 20-30 bucks, thats why you would do that.

Hey I have an idea for you...why not put your system on a NOS type switch and then when you want boost just punch the button? that would make it easy to wire at least and then you can have it on demand.


My long term prediction for Supra2NR's car....lean condition, BHG, piston melt -> rebuild or abandonment :eek: ..................:outahere:

thats cold dude, that hurts:sadwavey:

this are the things i was trying to find out b4 i actually did it,
dont get me wrong i got the project already started, its jus money thats holding me back

im jus gonna incorporate this idea with a turbo
im gonna get a dtec a/f piggyback computer
get bigger injector
bigger pump

anything else?

and i also found a way to make it work , jus by me pressing the pedal
hows that for on demand control

I see a part out thread in the near future.

damn!! nother one, jus keep the punches comin, not bragging but i like it like this, more of a challenge, not jus my car on the line but also my pride, lol

not full of myslef, but i think im gonna be the one laughing at the end of this one
im not bragging dont get me wrong, i jus really think this can work

with this said, i am still humbled by everybody in this forum.
i dunt know everything thats why im trying to learn anything

so back to the point

we got covered:
injectors
the lean condition
pumps
ecu
air/fuel computer
please jus tell me, enough with the predictions

You could just tell us what your planning to do...we wont hate you. Itll be ok. Plus, then someone will just tell you if itll work or not.

jus giv me this:
what would you guys need to upgrade when upgrading from n/a to turbo

from 7mge to 7mgte

I would need a.....7MGTE, harness, and an ECU. :dunno:

To be honest I dont know much about turbos, Ive never owned one and all my automotive knowledge has come from my own personal experience. I learn by doing.

But, one way to figure out what you would need to do is to find an aftermarket turbo upgrade kit for at least a similiar engine, and duplicate all the parts they include. then figure out a way to fab them all in to your system, and make it work.

Here is the thing, I know what your trying to use and trying to accomplish, I think that while its feasable to do, in the end your going to have to spend nearly as much as just buying the pieces and parts from a real turbo system and putting em all together, and your end result will be an inferior system that will lack drivability and could possible damage your engine.

Having said that, I still wish you the best of luck with it and I really hope that Im wrong. My goal for my Sup' is to add in MORE drivability with things like better brakes, better suspension, more gadgets and things like that. Im quite happy with my performance the way it is.

when i first started this thread, i was jus actually going for a 10 - 20 hp addition and maybe better gas mileage

but now, i am actually gonna use this idea to make a hybrid system,
im gonna try to get a turbonetics ball bearing turbo kit with intercooler
or maybe the hks ball bearing one
dunt know which one is better , yall get back at me with that

but a hybrid system will have instantaneous boost
and hopefully, it'll work, like i said i got a lot riding on this
this car is also my daily driver , and my project thats why i cant screw up

one step at a time
and everybody get ready to be askd this types of silly ideas in the future cuz im still here

I thought of one other thing you might want to incorporate. it would take a little engineering but you should use a rheostat to vary the motor so you can generate boost at different openings of the throttle. This would increase your drivability immensly.

my suggestion for doing that is to look straight down at the top of your throttle cable where it connects to hard linkage just before your throttle body. See how it is a pulling motion converted to rotational force? It would be very easy to adapt in a potentiometer at that point and feed the signal back to your electric motor. in a sence you could make that potentiometer mount variable, so with the twist of a dial you could raise or lower your boost at will.

One other concern I had was does the motor your thinking of using have a freewheel ability? If no voltage is being applied to it can air be drawn through it? if not you will need to build into your system a one way bypass valve. Something like a diaphram that will allow air to be drawn through it when there is no air being supplied by your motor, and will close down when the motor starts to insure your "boost" isnt being leaked off through your intake.

an AFM is sort of like this, but I was trying to think of something more elegant but cant come up with any ideas right off the top. Basically all you need is a spring loaded door that when closed will seal off the system but when suction is applied allows air to flow freely. Something from a climate control system maybe?

Just one question....is it an AC motor? because if so it will not work. Some brushed ac motors will even run off of dc, But will not go very fast. About 10 times less than operating speed. Because your dc is only 12-15 volts. And an inverter cant handle running an electric motor for very long. Plus they are just inefficient. If you really want, I could wire up a board that would work off the TPS to modulate a speed control signal. Youd need a sperate electronic speed controller though

Thats why exhaust drive (Turbo) or belt drive (supercharger) make so much better sense as they manually go with RPM and then all you have to do is get the fuel air mixture right which could end up costing thousands scince no one makes an aftermarket kit for the NA as far as I know. If your trying to do both electrically then I suggest an engineering degree and a lot of research before attempting it.
It sounds as if your trying to compensate by putting in bigger injectors and hoping the stock ECU will still work, but what happens when your not under boost and the bigger injectors make it too rich?

Ive heard you can use some of the aftermarket piggyback fuel computers with the stock NA, But it will still run too rich off boost. But nost as much as just stuffing the bigger injectors in.

ovbiously this is a bigger project than i thought, wow, but can u guys imagine the possiblities of this think, an electric turbocharger? no waiting for spool up time, you dont hav to b at a high rev to use the full potential of a turbo, the boost can even be speed variable,

if only i had the money to develop this

There is not much lag if your turbo is set up right..I have 13psi of boost at 2200 rpm on an upgraded CT-26 all the way to redline.

Some guys run a small turbo for low RPM and a larger turbo for the higher RPM..

I am back to wanting to use a small supercharger to spool a larger turbo for no lag and off idle boost.. Best of both worlds without the turbo slowing the exhaust flow through the head...

Or use them both together. Small supercharger and a big turbo..

Thats just my idea...:)

Jet engines work kind of like that. They have a small electric or really small jet motor that spools up the larger motors so they can start. It wouldnt be hard to do that with a turbo. Youd actually pre pressurize the exhaust, And if thats what you were thinking of doing, Kudos. You would need a one way flapper valve kinda thing. Not hard to make. So exhaust gas doesnt come out when the pressure builds. Plus the motor would have to make more CFMs and pressure than the motor running at idle. You might be able to use parts off of a 2jz gte or a twin turbo rx7, cause they have valving like that for the sequential turbos.