Car Choice...

NvrFstEnuff · 01-23-2006, 10:47 PM

Well I'd like to introduce myself my name is Nick first off. Second I'm glad to be here. Here's my dillema...Right now I'm in the process of selling or trading in my 97 Svt Cobra and I will be in need of a new car soon. The 3 I'm looking at are:

04 Cobra
Acura Nsx
Supra TT Mark IV

The problem is, I can't decide what to get. Personally That would be the 3rd mustang I've owned and as much as they are in my blood and passion, I'm bored and want something rare and different. The Nsx is a very rare car in my area as is the Supra and for shock value alone I would love. What I'd like from you all is as much info on a year I should be looking to get specifically,prices, power, weakness, motor specs (internals) etc on the Supra and even some pro's cons of each car if you didn't mind. I'll even start..

04 Cobra - Factory underrated and usually dyno around 360 rwhp. S/c'd and 6spd. BUT Independant rear is terrible for the strip unless beefed up, and usually clunk out around 500 hp

Nsx - Rare around here, awesome look, and just as fast as my current car now. BUT not turbo'd, very pricey and hard to find something really decent.

Supra TT Mark IV - I know almost nothing about them other than they are rare here and are damn quick

. Twin turbo's are my selling point which I've always wanted a TT'd car. The car to me seems setup for the option of going to bigger turbo's from the factory but I could be wrong. The Targa Top option is definately something I'll be looking for though. BUT not sure on the forged internals part, if the 6 spd's are reliable/rear ends as well.

That's it for now everyone. Like I said I know nothing about these cars and want to learn as much as I can before I decide on what to buy. Thanks and I look forward to everything you have to say.

-Nick L

jimwww · 01-23-2006, 10:59 PM

1. NSX forget it if you are over 6 foot. Slow car for the price. 14.5 - 14.7 is what they do in the quarter mile at Seattle International raceway. (I stood there and watched) My 94 stang did that stock.

2. I have owned 6 mustangs.. great straightline car - have to put a few thousand into the suspension to get them to handle.. low resale value - not put together well.

3. I am going to buy a Toyota supra this afternoon.. :-)

jim

NvrFstEnuff · 01-23-2006, 11:23 PM

I'm actually 6'2 lol so yeah a bit of a problem then. Yeah my cobra is great but mustangs are too common and boring to me to own now...Just to work on because it's my job. But as far as a Supra goes the style of the Removable top/roof is just so appealing to me. Its a nice design I think. Anyone else?

I thought Nsx's ran 13's as well?

NvrFstEnuff · 01-24-2006, 01:26 AM

Anyone else want to chime in?

TxSpeedBoy · 01-24-2006, 02:25 AM

Supra, all the way. Alot more fun and way more possibilties with the supra. With the NSX parts are very expensive and rare. But with the Supra parts are common and not quite as expensive. Looks better too. As far the conversion from American Muscle to Import Power, that's your call. Good luck! My votes for the Supra.

j3pz · 01-24-2006, 05:26 AM

brother, you asked the wrong site that question. of course everyone will say supra here. dont get me wrong though, those are awesome cars, and anyone would be proud to have any of them.

for the mustang, too popular but big market
nsx, very rare but i dont like anything other than a frountmount motor
so my choise is of course the supra. one of the best motors out there. there is no arguament that the block is very well built. there is a growing market for these retired cars and because they are rare and growing rare, their resale price stays constant. if you got the option to get the tt 6sp model, you better get it before someone else does. you wont be unsatisfied. and if you dont like it, you can sell it to me

pwpanas · 01-25-2006, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NvrFstEnuff

...Supra TT Mark IV - ...Twin turbo's are my selling point which I've always wanted a TT'd car...

Actuallly, TT's are generally more suitable to V-config engines (v6,v8,v10, etc.). The thing that makes the MKIV Supra's TT special is the fact that they run sequentially. Other than that one fact, there's no significant difference between the performance of two small turbos or one turbo twice the size on an inline-6 engine.

Quote:

Originally Posted by NvrFstEnuff

...The car to me seems setup for the option of going to bigger turbo's from the factory but I could be wrong...

Sorry, there are no larger-than-stock TT's available from the factory. In fact, there are no sequential larger-than-stock TT's available from anyone.

Quote:

Originally Posted by NvrFstEnuff

...BUT not sure on the forged internals part...

The internals are already forged (or close enough). The generally-accepted reliable max on oem internals is 850rwhp through a 6spd (i.e. 1000hp at the crank). The 'record' single-dyno-pull on oem internals is near 1100rwhp (about 1300hp at the crank)

Quote:

Originally Posted by NvrFstEnuff

...if the 6 spd's are reliable/rear ends as well...

Yes ... in fact, over 1250rwhp (produced by 2jz-gte's with 'built' internals) has been repeatedly & reliably run at the dragstrip on through the oem 6spd and the oem diff. Iow, the entire 6spd driveline (other than the oem clutch) is rock-solid. The oem auto tranny isn't quite as beefy, and does need upgraded internals above about 500rwhp.

NvrFstEnuff · 01-25-2006, 10:48 PM

So I could even get the TT car and even just make it one big turbo. Turbo lag would then come into play obviously just don't know how much it would cause. This is all great info guys keep it coming, I dont even know if ill be comfortable in a supra but Im going to wait until my 97 Cobra is sold before I start looking. Its either this car or an 04 Cobra now which would be a great car but there are so many around here and Im starting to bore with them. I do understand the idea behind the sequential TT setup what I meant was that the car is setup TT'd from the factory so going with bigger turbo's wouldn't be that much of an undertaking. Sorry for the confusing post. Hell Id be happy with an 11 second daily driver and then I can turn it up to try for 10s on the weekends at the track. Something like that in my area would be a car no one would go after I know that. Mostly stock/slightly modded cars 12 sec+ and bad mouth'd drivers.

The driveline on this car seems almost limitless for what I want it for, but am I correct in saying the stock 2jz driveline differs greatly from the 2jz gte driveline?

pwpanas · 01-25-2006, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NvrFstEnuff

So I could even get the TT car and even just make it one big turbo. Turbo lag would then come into play obviously just don't know how much it would cause...

If you converted to a single turbo, additional lag may not be as big an issue as you might think. Note that there have been some advances in turbocharger technology since mid-to-late '92 when the Mkiv Supra's oem twins were spec'd. For example, if you got a modern-day single turbo that was exactly twice the flow capacity of one of the oem twins, there would be more lag than with the oem twins operating in sequential mode, but less lag than the oem twins operating in parallel.

Quote:

Originally Posted by NvrFstEnuff

...I do understand the idea behind the sequential TT setup what I meant was that the car is setup TT'd from the factory so going with bigger turbo's wouldn't be that much of an undertaking...

Unfortunately you're wrong there. The Mkiv Supra's oem twins are two very custom twins squeezed into a very tight configuration. Replacing them with a bigger pair while still preserving the sequential operation is just not feasible.

Quote:

Originally Posted by NvrFstEnuff

...The driveline on this car seems almost limitless for what I want it for, but am I correct in saying the stock 2jz driveline differs greatly from the 2jz gte driveline?

Yes. To be more precise, the 2jz-ge driveline differs greatly from the 2jz-gte driveline.

NvrFstEnuff · 01-26-2006, 03:07 AM

Cool man your really helping me out. Personally I didnt like the idea of the "sequential" anyways. Seems as if there would be a slight or even larger downtime where the boost drops for a bit then spools back up with the second one. What size are the stock turbo's on them now? I was thinking of going with a 60-70mm single and just keep the boodt at a low/moderate level for around 400 on the street which I used to do in my 89 mustang gt, and that was great. But come track time I want to turn it up a bit more to around 500+ if possible.

01-23-2006, 10:47 PM	#1
NvrFstEnuff Stock Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 11	Car Choice... Well I'd like to introduce myself my name is Nick first off. Second I'm glad to be here. Here's my dillema...Right now I'm in the process of selling or trading in my 97 Svt Cobra and I will be in need of a new car soon. The 3 I'm looking at are: 04 Cobra Acura Nsx Supra TT Mark IV The problem is, I can't decide what to get. Personally That would be the 3rd mustang I've owned and as much as they are in my blood and passion, I'm bored and want something rare and different. The Nsx is a very rare car in my area as is the Supra and for shock value alone I would love. What I'd like from you all is as much info on a year I should be looking to get specifically,prices, power, weakness, motor specs (internals) etc on the Supra and even some pro's cons of each car if you didn't mind. I'll even start.. 04 Cobra - Factory underrated and usually dyno around 360 rwhp. S/c'd and 6spd. BUT Independant rear is terrible for the strip unless beefed up, and usually clunk out around 500 hp Nsx - Rare around here, awesome look, and just as fast as my current car now. BUT not turbo'd, very pricey and hard to find something really decent. Supra TT Mark IV - I know almost nothing about them other than they are rare here and are damn quick . Twin turbo's are my selling point which I've always wanted a TT'd car. The car to me seems setup for the option of going to bigger turbo's from the factory but I could be wrong. The Targa Top option is definately something I'll be looking for though. BUT not sure on the forged internals part, if the 6 spd's are reliable/rear ends as well. That's it for now everyone. Like I said I know nothing about these cars and want to learn as much as I can before I decide on what to buy. Thanks and I look forward to everything you have to say. -Nick L

01-23-2006, 10:59 PM	#2
jimwww Stock Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Delta, BC Canada Posts: 9	Have owned 6 mustangs.. 1. NSX forget it if you are over 6 foot. Slow car for the price. 14.5 - 14.7 is what they do in the quarter mile at Seattle International raceway. (I stood there and watched) My 94 stang did that stock. 2. I have owned 6 mustangs.. great straightline car - have to put a few thousand into the suspension to get them to handle.. low resale value - not put together well. 3. I am going to buy a Toyota supra this afternoon.. :-) jim

01-24-2006, 02:25 AM	#5
TxSpeedBoy 3" Exhaust Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 83	Supra, all the way. Alot more fun and way more possibilties with the supra. With the NSX parts are very expensive and rare. But with the Supra parts are common and not quite as expensive. Looks better too. As far the conversion from American Muscle to Import Power, that's your call. Good luck! My votes for the Supra. __________________ Supra Project 06... 1987 Turbo. 18" Enkei RS5. K&N Filter. Magnaflow custom exhaust. "I got a pair of subs for my girlfriend...Good traid huh?!

01-24-2006, 05:26 AM	#6
j3pz 500whp yet? Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Mechanicsville, MD, US of A, 20659 Posts: 1,060	brother, you asked the wrong site that question. of course everyone will say supra here. dont get me wrong though, those are awesome cars, and anyone would be proud to have any of them. for the mustang, too popular but big market nsx, very rare but i dont like anything other than a frountmount motor so my choise is of course the supra. one of the best motors out there. there is no arguament that the block is very well built. there is a growing market for these retired cars and because they are rare and growing rare, their resale price stays constant. if you got the option to get the tt 6sp model, you better get it before someone else does. you wont be unsatisfied. and if you dont like it, you can sell it to me __________________ 88 N/A w/ 5spd - stock - not running, bhg 87 turbo/targa w/ 5spd- fidanza light weight flywheel, new oem slave cylinder, apexi air filter, no ac and no heat

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01-23-2006, 11:23 PM	#3
NvrFstEnuff Stock Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 11	I'm actually 6'2 lol so yeah a bit of a problem then. Yeah my cobra is great but mustangs are too common and boring to me to own now...Just to work on because it's my job. But as far as a Supra goes the style of the Removable top/roof is just so appealing to me. Its a nice design I think. Anyone else? I thought Nsx's ran 13's as well?

01-24-2006, 01:26 AM	#4
NvrFstEnuff Stock Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 11	Anyone else want to chime in?

01-25-2006, 10:48 PM	#8
NvrFstEnuff Stock Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 11	So I could even get the TT car and even just make it one big turbo. Turbo lag would then come into play obviously just don't know how much it would cause. This is all great info guys keep it coming, I dont even know if ill be comfortable in a supra but Im going to wait until my 97 Cobra is sold before I start looking. Its either this car or an 04 Cobra now which would be a great car but there are so many around here and Im starting to bore with them. I do understand the idea behind the sequential TT setup what I meant was that the car is setup TT'd from the factory so going with bigger turbo's wouldn't be that much of an undertaking. Sorry for the confusing post. Hell Id be happy with an 11 second daily driver and then I can turn it up to try for 10s on the weekends at the track. Something like that in my area would be a car no one would go after I know that. Mostly stock/slightly modded cars 12 sec+ and bad mouth'd drivers. The driveline on this car seems almost limitless for what I want it for, but am I correct in saying the stock 2jz driveline differs greatly from the 2jz gte driveline?

01-26-2006, 03:07 AM	#10
NvrFstEnuff Stock Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 11	Cool man your really helping me out. Personally I didnt like the idea of the "sequential" anyways. Seems as if there would be a slight or even larger downtime where the boost drops for a bit then spools back up with the second one. What size are the stock turbo's on them now? I was thinking of going with a 60-70mm single and just keep the boodt at a low/moderate level for around 400 on the street which I used to do in my 89 mustang gt, and that was great. But come track time I want to turn it up a bit more to around 500+ if possible.