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toyomeup 10-02-2008 12:03 PM

Should I buy this supra?
 
It's a 98 n/a supra with 13,000 miles for $30,000. It has low miles but for 30,000 I can buy a TT.

1Chin3seBoi 10-04-2008 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by toyomeup (Post 63888)
It's a 98 n/a supra with 13,000 miles for $30,000. It has low miles but for 30,000 I can buy a TT.

any pixs? any accident? hows the condition? :dance:

toyomeup 10-04-2008 08:00 AM

pictures http://images.ecarlist.com/cgi-bin/v...8_90820#04.jpg

no accident clean carfax

1Chin3seBoi 10-05-2008 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by toyomeup (Post 63984)


ya looks very clean and mint condition..
but iduno it is low click but its a auto+NA
so im not sure if 30g its a good deal..
but deff its clean:yum:

pwpanas 10-05-2008 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toyomeup (Post 63888)
It's a 98 n/a supra with 13,000 miles for $30,000. It has low miles but for 30,000 I can buy a TT.

The question is, do you want a 'mint' n/a, or do you really want a (possibly slightly less-mint) TT?

Supra Greg 10-07-2008 12:59 AM

how much will it cost to make it fast ? compaired to buying what you really want ?

mint low miles is that...............a car that has not been drivin much and prob not hard...

you going to beat it ? as in enjoy it?

will it be fast enough for you ?
would it piss you off if my 7mgte blew by you?

serious questions you need to ask yourself :}

Dan Swanson 10-07-2008 01:18 AM

Dan Swanson
 
I wonder why you would consider an Auto? There no fun! I personnaly would not think $30K for the car due to it 's age.

But, do what makes you happy.

Dan


ote=toyomeup;63888]It's a 98 n/a supra with 13,000 miles for $30,000. It has low miles but for 30,000 I can buy a TT.[/quote]

toyomeup 10-07-2008 01:52 PM

so is this a NO? 30,000 does seem a lot for an old car. I know its an auto but Its just the only low mile supra for sale in my area. The rest for sale are high mileage manual

Supra Greg 10-07-2008 02:44 PM

Well.... If you have 30k that you can invest... then store the car for 10 years and sell for around 50k......

sure buy it...

What do you want to drive ? Do you want a std ? Do you want a faster then stock supra ?Do you Want a turbo ? ( o yes you want a turbo )
Main thing is... 30k is alot of money.. If you were real rich you would not even ask.. YOu just buy it and then sell if you dont like..

But fact you ask.. means 30k is a big investment and you want to make right choise...

have you driven a std & auto ? If not dont buy till you atleast drive both...

Have you driven a stock n/a compaired to a suped up turbo supra ?

Do you even want Red ?

Now you can buy a higher milage car cheaper.. then have moded and rebuilt.. and end up with just a little more in car.. but it will be more to your likeing ...and Rebuilt ready to pound on...

what do you really want ?

Dan Swanson 10-07-2008 07:13 PM

toyomeup
 
I noticed one of the people who replied to your thread suggested that you drive an auto and a manual and turbo and n/a. I think thatis good idea. Especially if you not sure what you want. I personally am not a fan of turbo. Turbo's are hard on an engine and are prone to cause more maintenance expense.

I have driven my MKIII, manual, N/A Fuel injected about a 170K miles. with relatively little trouble.

Being used to american cars I replaced the clutch myself at 98K miles om the assumption it was time. It was no where near time. In fact I have saved the old clutch to use again. At about 60K Miles I replaced the timing belt.

I overheated the car due a rubber cap on a pipe blew. I drove the car for several years with no loss in performance fior about four years. But I did have to add water occassionanly. About Once a month when it got to adding a water weekly I took the head off had the valves ground and the head planed and checked the block for being true / flat. I think this was done around 140K miles. Then around 170 miles I blew another head gasket only this time it required immediate fixing. Bad timing too busy working and earning a living to put it back togther quickly. I haved ended up with a car with two stuck valves that wont run.

I have enjoyed driving this car. It has the TEMS suspension that is adjustable for normal and sport. I always drove th car on sport and you could not ask for a better handling car. When my wife drove it she switched to Normal and I almost lost control on few occasions.

The MKIII is my favaortite Supra. I have decided to sell the car as is instead of fixing it again. I have had fun and have gotten too many tickets. I just can not keep my off throttle. But is fun to drive even if it is not turbo.

You should choose to buy a Supra based on it's age and miles based on your ability to work on the car, Or if money is not an problem it won't matter.

Good luck, I hope you come up with a car you love enjoy.

Dan

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Originally Posted by toyomeup (Post 64072)
so is this a NO? 30,000 does seem a lot for an old car. I know its an auto but Its just the only low mile supra for sale in my area. The rest for sale are high mileage manual


pwpanas 10-08-2008 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan Swanson (Post 64080)
...Turbo's are hard on an engine and are prone to cause more maintenance expense....

For what it's worth, I've seen well-maintained (bone stock) Mkiv TT's with over 200K miles, with no problems with the engine or the oem twins. :dunno:

Dan Swanson 10-08-2008 09:29 AM

Phil
 
I appreciate your comment regarding turbo supras. I guess I am out of touch with the latest info. I am new to supra forum. I wish that I had found the forum years ago. I sent an e-mail to the moderator a day or two ago complementing on what a good forum it is, and very well run.

Dan

pwpanas 10-09-2008 01:09 AM

Dan
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Swanson (Post 64103)
I appreciate your comment regarding turbo supras. I guess I am out of touch with the latest info. I am new to supra forum. I wish that I had found the forum years ago. I sent an e-mail to the moderator a day or two ago complementing on what a good forum it is, and very well run.

Dan

We're glad to have you - thank you for your kind words, and your thoughtful post. Do you have an mkiv, or are you interested in possibly getting one?

toyomeup 10-10-2008 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supra Greg (Post 64074)
Well.... If you have 30k that you can invest... then store the car for 10 years and sell for around 50k......

sure buy it...

What do you want to drive ? Do you want a std ? Do you want a faster then stock supra ?Do you Want a turbo ? ( o yes you want a turbo )
Main thing is... 30k is alot of money.. If you were real rich you would not even ask.. YOu just buy it and then sell if you dont like..

But fact you ask.. means 30k is a big investment and you want to make right choise...

have you driven a std & auto ? If not dont buy till you atleast drive both...

Have you driven a stock n/a compaired to a suped up turbo supra ?

Do you even want Red ?

Now you can buy a higher milage car cheaper.. then have moded and rebuilt.. and end up with just a little more in car.. but it will be more to your likeing ...and Rebuilt ready to pound on...

what do you really want ?

It doesnt matter if its stock or turbo I just want a Red supra. how much would it cost to have it rebuilt

toyomeup 10-10-2008 11:39 AM

I also plan to use this car as a daily driver. Im not going to race it just want a sexy supra to drive daily thats why this low mileage supra appealed to me because I didnt want to worry about high mileage supras and repair costs.

sNowHiTe 10-30-2008 05:16 PM

that red supra is for sale down the street from me, i have the white one you may have seen floating around. i've talked to the guy, and driven it. 30 grand is NOT a good deal. if red is your only catch phrase then buy one and paint it YOUR RED because its basically a 98 SE (i like to say "Stripped Edition")

SC Rydah 10-31-2008 11:48 AM

If I were in the market for a MK4 Supra, I would NOT spend $30,000 DOLLARS on it if it wasn't modified, ESPECIALLY if it wasn't a turbo!! They didn't cost much more than that brand new!! The turbo model was a little over 40 Grand. Correct me if i'm wrong...

EthanMKIII 11-01-2008 04:12 AM

Every one's thinking of the car in the wrong way. This will be a daily driver not a race car. this car is pretty much brand new and looks great plus its a supra lol just the name makes it special we all know that. $30,000? look around thats alot u could buy lease used M3 for that. But if u want a daily driver that looks sexy but can't back it up buy this car but u will get laughed at when u get ur ass kicked by a V6 stang.

pwpanas 11-01-2008 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SC Rydah (Post 64737)
If I were in the market for a MK4 Supra, I would NOT spend $30,000 DOLLARS on it if it wasn't modified, ESPECIALLY if it wasn't a turbo!! They didn't cost much more than that brand new!! The turbo model was a little over 40 Grand. Correct me if i'm wrong...

The MK4 is a rarer car today than it was in the mid '90s. A low mileage, bone-stock MK4 tt easily goes for $30K+, just because it is so rare (only about 7000 were imported into the US, and at least half are in the junkyard or have been gutted to make racecars).

SC Rydah 11-03-2008 07:32 AM

7,000 MK4'S IMPORTED TO THE US??!! How could that POSSIBLY be??!! DO YOU THINK THE BIGGEST SUPRA MEETS IN THE U.S - SUPRAS INVADE VEGAS AND SUPRAS INVADE TEXAS - WOULD HAVE SO MANY COME EVERY YEAR IF THERE WERE ONLY 7,000 OF THEM HERE?!

Check the for sale forum. See how many people are selling MK4 TURBOS FOR LESS THAN 30GRAND! They may not have low mileage, but you'd be surprised. But Ethan does have a point. You would get spanked by a V6 Mustang. Not if it was a turbo...but I digress.

You should go ahead and get a used M3 or something else so u can look good in drive fast with low mileage, low maintenenance and be happy with it...because you're not going to race it obviously. That's what Supras were made for. The movies glorified it and made it more desirable, but they were made for racing.

If you don't want that, IMHO it's not for you. If you REALLY wanted a Supra, You'd find a cheaper one and not care about the mileage nearly as much because you'd KNOW that it wouldn't matter because of the quality, reliability and potential. You'd KNOW more about the car and wouldn't want to baby it. You want a quick, reliable, good looking $30,000 low mileage coupe? Buy a used 350Z or a Mustang.

toyomeup 12-09-2008 04:31 PM

ok its been lowered to 24,995. Deal or no deal?

SC Rydah 12-09-2008 10:03 PM

No deal...unless you just want a low mileage supra. $25,000 Is DECENT, but you can PROBABLY do better with some more searching.

pwpanas 12-10-2008 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SC Rydah (Post 64784)
7,000 MK4'S IMPORTED TO THE US??!! How could that POSSIBLY be??!! DO YOU THINK THE BIGGEST SUPRA MEETS IN THE U.S - SUPRAS INVADE VEGAS AND SUPRAS INVADE TEXAS - WOULD HAVE SO MANY COME EVERY YEAR IF THERE WERE ONLY 7,000 OF THEM HERE?!...

Numbers don't lie, my friend. Here you go (edit - 7000 TTs ... almost double that if you count n/a's, but still very rare as cars go):
http://www.mkiv.com/specifications/s...ail_sales.html

Quote:

Originally Posted by SC Rydah (Post 64784)
...Check the for sale forum. See how many people are selling MK4 TURBOS FOR LESS THAN 30GRAND! They may not have low mileage, but you'd be surprised.

Of course high mileage (>150K miles) MKIVs sell for less than 30 Grand.
Quote:

Originally Posted by SC Rydah (Post 64784)
...But Ethan does have a point. You would get spanked by a V6 Mustang. Not if it was a turbo...but I digress...

A V6 Mustang can't handle twisties like an mkiv (jza80 chassis), turbo or no. So it all depends what you mean by "spanked". The mkiv was designed for roadracing.
Quote:

Originally Posted by SC Rydah (Post 64784)
...You should go ahead and get a used M3 or something else so u can look good in drive fast with low mileage, low maintenenance and be happy with it...because you're not going to race it obviously. That's what Supras were made for. The movies glorified it and made it more desirable, but they were made for racing...

Finally, we sort-of agree on something, as long as we're talking roadracing (i.e. not dragracing - it can do that too, of course, but it requires more extensive mods and imho ruins the car).
Quote:

Originally Posted by SC Rydah (Post 64784)
...If you don't want that, IMHO it's not for you. If you REALLY wanted a Supra, You'd find a cheaper one and not care about the mileage nearly as much because you'd KNOW that it wouldn't matter because of the quality, reliability and potential. You'd KNOW more about the car and wouldn't want to baby it. You want a quick, reliable, good looking $30,000 low mileage coupe? Buy a used 350Z or a Mustang.

Agreed - if all you want to do is go relatively fast in a straight line, an older foxbody mustang would be just fine, and significantly cheaper.

Imho the 350z isn't a great platform for upgrading like the mustang or the mkiv.

pwpanas 12-10-2008 03:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toyomeup (Post 65615)
ok its been lowered to 24,995. Deal or no deal?

Imho, no. Personally, I'd never look at an n/a. They're nowhere near the total performance package that the TT is. In other words, to turn it into a full TT (including tranny, diff, ignition, abs braking system, calipers, suspension, etc., etc.), you'd need to spend over $10K...and by then you could have simply bought a TT instead. Again, just mho fwiw.

SC Rydah 12-11-2008 01:05 AM

I stand corrected...
 
The magic phrase for this thread is "IMHO"!!
Ok pwpanas. I see your point. Thanks for straightening me out! lol! But i'm just saying that unless you REALLY want a supra MK4, don't spend money like that on a used car. ESPECIALLY if you're not going to get it to do what it's really made to do...BESIDES drive it on the street, daily or occasionally. There's other NEW and USED cars for that. There are plenty of people who keep good looking, clean STOCK MK3 SUPRA N/A's AND TURBOS in their garages and hardly ever drive them and IMHO, it's sad. But eventually they move, or need space for a new car, or can't afford to keep them and wind up selling them to guys like me.

And I would love to get an MK4, but i'm just as happy for having my used MK3 N/A because I LOVE the idea of buying a car for cheap, getting down, dirty and sweaty using tools, time, patience and minimal funds and making it into something I CAN NEVER BUY FROM THE FACTORY.

Btw toyotameup, i'm not telling you not to get it because I can't get one...yet. I'm just saying that it dosen't make sense to buy a used $25,000-$30,000 sports car that you won't drive often OR modify just to have something rare. It's not a restored classic or a euro exotic uber-expensive car. IMHO, it's something for racers and enthusiasts.

But if you REALLY want it, go for it. Especially since the price dropped. I can see why you - OR ANYBODY - wants a clean, low mileage car. But since PWPANAS' chart shows how rare it really is, I see why you and so many other people - including me - want them. But the performance possibilities make you want (and eventually NEED) to modify them. And THAT'S why there are so many of them modified or "molested" as you say. It's a supercar!!

SC Rydah 12-11-2008 01:25 AM

Btw, when I said "spanked by a V6 Mustang", I meant drag racing. OF COURSE A MUSTANG WON'T SPANK A N/A SUPRA IN A ROAD RACE! V6 OR OTHERWISE!! And the 350Z may not be a nice car to modify like the Supra, but it's a nice car to buy NEW or slightly used for $25-$30K. Low maintenance, and reliable (as can be expected from a fairly used) car like he wants. And I totally agree with you about the foxbody on the strip...and exerything else you said PW.

toyomeup 12-13-2008 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SC Rydah (Post 65653)
Btw toyotameup, i'm not telling you not to get it because I can't get one...yet. I'm just saying that it dosen't make sense to buy a used $25,000-$30,000 sports car that you won't drive often


I'll be using it as my daily driver.

SC Rydah 12-17-2008 03:34 AM

I hope so. Well buy it, have fun and happy motoring.

Sixspeedtalk 12-22-2008 06:11 PM

buy the turbo !!!!
 
don't waste the 30 g's on a n/a

nathan ferguson 02-21-2010 10:15 PM

it kind of depends, because sometimes less milage cars might have been driven hard for short distances which can make them just as 'precarious' as an adventurous-mobile :nuts: depends how badly you want the car in all reality... if it's completely flawless and everythings perfect then maybe it's worth it? but a tt for the same money can be not quite as good but still a damn nice car.. depends what you gonna do to it and use it for aswell, whether a 'fun run' on sundays or a everyday car kinda thing.. up to you, good luck either way with it

nath :rofl::rofl::nuts:


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