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87 Supra 08-31-2007 12:55 PM

Mechanic says it’s not the head gasket.
 
Hi, I’m new here but not new to old Toyotas. This is the first Supra I have ever owned and I must say it’s driving me a little nuts. It was dumping coolant out the radiator overflow and over heating so I took it in to be looked at. My mechanic ran all the proper tests looking for a head gasket issue but could find no signs of it. He replaced the thermostat and it stopped overheating. Problem is it still is dumping coolant out the overflow. I saw some leaking out the cap as well so I bought a new one and took it back to my mechanic. He said to drive it and then let it sit over night. If the overflow tank went from full to half full over night then it was another sign that the head gasket was ok. Sure enough it went down overnight and the radiator appears to be full. I drove it to work this morning and the tank was only about half full but there was some coolant on the radiator support near by. I can’t tell for sure where it’s coming from but it looked like the overflow or the very top bar or two of the radiator. My question is can a bad radiator cause this kind of problem? My mechanic seems fairly confident it’s not the head. Sorry for the long read.

-Kevin

Bman86.5 08-31-2007 02:25 PM

hey i knw this might sound crazy but cars are different like person to person. they act up and are finiky. some like to run hot and others run cool, some like to run with extra coolent and some like to run right on the low line, i don't knw why i just notice this with my cars and others that i help with there cars, i hope u find the real cause but sometimes a car will act up for no reason at all just remember that in the back of ur head

Syris 08-31-2007 04:08 PM

Well is there a big coolant puddle on the ground?
What color is the exhaust?

Do you hear any waterfall noises from behind the dash?
Have you burped the system?

87 Supra 08-31-2007 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Syris
Well is there a big coolant puddle on the ground?
What color is the exhaust?

Do you hear any waterfall noises from behind the dash?
Have you burped the system?

Well like I mentioned earlier it is pushing coolant out the overflow so yes, there is a puddle on the ground. No the car does not smoke; there is no oil in the water or water in the oil. There are no combustion gases present in the radiator and no odd noises in the firewall either. This car is either breaking all the rules or it does not have a head gasket leak. As for burping the system, no I have not done that and really don’t know what that means. I’m guessing getting all the air out. I have ran it with the cap off and its not bubbling out.

igosaur 08-31-2007 04:57 PM

I had the same problem as you for months and yes, it was driving me nuts as well.

Everything suggested that it wasn't the head gasket, exhaust looked fine, no water in the oil and vice verse.

The first thing I did was change the thermostat and this seemed to work for a while but sure enough, not long after my problems were back. Each time it overheated it would dump loads of coolant in the expansion tank and sure enough, the next morning it was back in the radiator.

Eventually I have come to the conclusion that it was a succession of dodgy hoses. Each time I had an overheating problem I would listen carefully under the bonnet, with the engine off of course, and more often than not I could hear a hissing sound.

I have now repaired or replaced at least 4 hoses and changed the clips on countless others and, touch wood, no more problems.

It just takes a small split in a hose or a badly fitted hose to stop the whole system becoming pressurised properly and so it boils and either pops a hose or dumps coolant into the tank.

I also did an oil change and added some oil additive to keep the engine as cool as possible.

mizuboi 08-31-2007 05:03 PM

by burping the system we mean raising the front end as far as it will go and run the engine for about 20 minutes and then fill the coolant as necessary that should help otherwise you might want to check the connectors onthe thermostat. check the dual vaulve on it too you know the blue one with two ports comming out of it...well thats all i can think of off the top of my head

and yes a bad bent old radiator can cause this also clogs in the places where the coolant goes

my girlfriends na did that for a while it lost coolant in teh system somewhere and then an hour or two later it threw it all up out the overflow tank so burping solved that well hope everything works out for ya

87 Supra 08-31-2007 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by igosaur
I had the same problem as you for months and yes, it was driving me nuts as well.

Everything suggested that it wasn't the head gasket, exhaust looked fine, no water in the oil and vice verse.

The first thing I did was change the thermostat and this seemed to work for a while but sure enough, not long after my problems were back. Each time it overheated it would dump loads of coolant in the expansion tank and sure enough, the next morning it was back in the radiator.

Eventually I have come to the conclusion that it was a succession of dodgy hoses. Each time I had an overheating problem I would listen carefully under the bonnet, with the engine off of course, and more often than not I could hear a hissing sound.

I have now repaired or replaced at least 4 hoses and changed the clips on countless others and, touch wood, no more problems.

It just takes a small split in a hose or a badly fitted hose to stop the whole system becoming pressurised properly and so it boils and either pops a hose or dumps coolant into the tank.

I also did an oil change and added some oil additive to keep the engine as cool as possible.

Yea, that sounds just like what I have going on here. After the thermostat replacement the car has not overheated but sometimes it still dumps it out the overflow. I’m leaning toward a small radiator leak. Maybe near or around the overflow bottle.

87 Supra 08-31-2007 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by igosaur
I had the same problem as you for months and yes, it was driving me nuts as well.

Everything suggested that it wasn't the head gasket, exhaust looked fine, no water in the oil and vice verse.

The first thing I did was change the thermostat and this seemed to work for a while but sure enough, not long after my problems were back. Each time it overheated it would dump loads of coolant in the expansion tank and sure enough, the next morning it was back in the radiator.

Eventually I have come to the conclusion that it was a succession of dodgy hoses. Each time I had an overheating problem I would listen carefully under the bonnet, with the engine off of course, and more often than not I could hear a hissing sound.

I have now repaired or replaced at least 4 hoses and changed the clips on countless others and, touch wood, no more problems.

It just takes a small split in a hose or a badly fitted hose to stop the whole system becoming pressurised properly and so it boils and either pops a hose or dumps coolant into the tank.

I also did an oil change and added some oil additive to keep the engine as cool as possible.

Thanks! I will try that this weekend and see what happens.

ddmcse 08-31-2007 09:20 PM

watch the over flow bottle and keep fluid in it

if you have to keep filling it on a regular basis ,,, guess what
you have a bhg and you can continue to drive for thousands of mile this way before you finally have to throw in the towel ...

ethan12510 09-01-2007 05:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ddmcse
watch the over flow bottle and keep fluid in it

if you have to keep filling it on a regular basis ,,, guess what
you have a bhg and you can continue to drive for thousands of mile this way before you finally have to throw in the towel ...

its safe to drive with a bhg?

IHateHacks 09-01-2007 12:00 PM

An overflowing coolant recovery bottle = a blown head gasket. Its a sign that excessive pressure is entering the cooling system, and can you guess where that excessive pressure is coming from? I don't care who says otherwise. Come down to my shop and I'll pull your head off in 3 hours and show you your mangled, disfigured head gasket.

ddmcse 09-02-2007 01:03 AM

safe ?

you might pop a hose here and there but you can nurse it along for a long time

IHateHacks 09-02-2007 11:51 AM

You will also erode the coolant passages in the cylinder head from the corrosive exhaust gases entering the cooling system. And the water pump impeller will erode away as well. This is if you drive the car with a BHG for ANY length of time. If it gets really bad and coolant starts to enter the crankcase you will also ruin the rod bearings.

linuxgurupodboy 03-20-2008 01:08 PM

And even worse Hydraulic your motor. Thought I had a bad battery, but Water doesn't compress too well.

87 Supra 03-20-2008 01:41 PM

Well I’ve been driving it all winter and its still doing fine. The only time the bottle was going over was in the summer on hot days. I plan to have my spare motor rebuilt this fall and will pop it in over the winter. Does anyone know if a BHG will cause your heat to not work? My heater only works on warmer days or when the car is at speed on the highway. The second I let off the gas it blows cold on me. It will not blow hot at idle unless it’s a warm day. The blower motor is fine.

jfunez 03-21-2008 01:47 AM

you might wana check or search on the frequently asked questions....good luck......you'll be amazed at how much information has allready been asked and answered many times..

87 Supra 03-28-2008 03:52 PM

She Blew!
 
Well it looks like I was nursing a bad head gasket the whole time. It finally blew two days ago. She started bellowing white smoke and started running a little rough. I parked her in the garage and haven’t started her since. I have a few questions for the HG pros out there who have done this job before. I have never worked on major engine components on this type of car before but I’m up for the challenge. That being said I have found a few sources for gaskets and was hoping some of you could point me down the right path. From what I have read most people go straight to there Toyota dealers but the one I usually deal with here is very pricey on parts. I found a few external web based companies that offer gasket kits made by Felpro and Ishino. I was contemplating the Felpro kit. Has anyone ever used this one before? Any advice on it or should I just buy it from the dealer? I want to make sure all the gaskets fit right and I have heard stories about the Valve cover gaskets on some sets not fitting properly.


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Benesesso 03-28-2008 05:08 PM

If your Supra is a turbo you are in for a LONG workout. I'd put the car on a trailer and get it to "IHateHacks;s" garage now. It took me a month to replace the HG on a 1990 turbo, and I'd never do it again. I somehow damaged a nerve in my leg and spent the next YEAR on painkillers.

87 Supra 03-28-2008 05:17 PM

Sorry to hear about the leg. She’s not a Turbo and I have all the time in the world to work on her. She’s my driver but I only use it on Fridays and my wife can cover me as needed. It does look like a big job but I hope taking it slow will benefit me. Any comments on the gasket types?

Benesesso 03-28-2008 06:45 PM

I used a Felpro and it hasn't leaked again. My BHG was really very mild, no signs of heat and it was only slightly distorted. The head bolts had been retorqued ~50k miles, and it didn't leak until ~70k, so I am a believer that retorquing won't repair any early damage.

I confirmed my BHG by looking down the spark plug hole and finding a little water. Naturally it had to be #6 way in the back. I had the head resurfaced, and it was only out ~7 mils, IIRC. I just cleaned the block very well.

I think a NA engine would be a LOT easier to work on.

mkiiisupra 03-28-2008 09:30 PM

At least you know from this experience that mechanics are always right ;)

87 Supra 03-29-2008 12:21 AM

Actually my mechanic said it was not a head gasket.:confused: That’s why I posted this topic. I always thought it was but it didn’t have all the symptoms. I drove it some today and it bellowed white smoke for a few minutes then stopped.

mkiiisupra 03-29-2008 12:33 AM

i guess sacarsam is hard to potray through text :dance:

87 Supra 03-29-2008 03:01 AM

lol! It can be sometimes.:)


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