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supradude27_ 04-14-2007 05:02 PM

3s-gte in 89 supra
 
i was wonding how hard it is 2 put a 3s-gte in 2 a 1989 supra or if any 1 has done it

dcrusupra 04-14-2007 11:25 PM

Cant, 3s-gte are only set-up for front wheel drive or all wheel drive. Since its a front wheel drive engine it sits sideways, so it won't fit into the engine bay.

kwnate 04-15-2007 12:07 AM

There are some mk4's with them so I assume it could be done.

dcrusupra 04-15-2007 12:12 AM

:outahere:

I guess it can be done, lol. 1 question would be why?

OfnaRcR 04-15-2007 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dcrusupra
Cant, 3s-gte are only set-up for front wheel drive or all wheel drive. Since its a front wheel drive engine it sits sideways, so it won't fit into the engine bay.

I know nothing about this engine but how would an engine and the direction it sits in another car affect it fitting in a soup?

supramacist 04-15-2007 04:38 PM

Isn't the 3s a soarer engine??

Supra2NR 04-15-2007 06:31 PM

Ddnt the soarers have the 1j?

And they put the 3sgte in a supra for sum reason
Either to loose more weight for rally since the 3sgte is able to hold up to 500hp
Or to compete in a 4 cylinder class

supradude27_ 04-15-2007 07:36 PM

3sgte
 
the 3sgte is out of a celica and i want to do it cause u can sit it behind the front wheels to be able to drift it

Supra2NR 04-15-2007 08:08 PM

Why would you sit it in front of the front wheels, isn't the supra front-heavy enough already???

That's why its so hard to get an angle with the supra cuz of it, that's what makes it spin out during a drift

suav 04-15-2007 08:44 PM

http://www.suprastore.com/topsecsuport.html

This actually is a pretty neat idea, would be cool to duplicate what they did in an MKIV, only in your '89

supradude27_ 04-15-2007 09:51 PM

3sgte
 
i ment behind the front wheels

Supra2NR 04-16-2007 05:24 AM

i really gotta ask

is the juice worth the squeeze with this idea?
even so if the engine sits behind the front wheels how far behind would it be?
how much for converting that engine to a rwd?
im guessing custom mounts too,
a whole engine swap,
so on and so on
what about you jus use the money for a little more horsepower and get a good rearend setup

i think getting the whole rearend to a whole drift setup will be money well spent rather than the 3sgte conversion in an mk3

i still belive the most cost effective and beneficial conversion for the mk3 is the 2jz

supramacist 04-16-2007 05:53 AM

LMAO. Is the juice worth the squeeze. How could you rob that line from the movie man??? lol.

You can put me on record as for the juice not being worth the squeeze.
But hey..., knock YOUR socks off man.

dcrusupra 04-16-2007 03:21 PM

These supras have plenty of power to drift. But using the 3s-gte is probably more money than it's worth. Pretty good balance too. I think its 47% in the front 53% in the back. The soarers came with 1jz-gte and 1jz-ge. The celica all-trac came with an AWD version of the 3s-gte and they came in MR-2s. They both come mounted sideways in the engine bay.

Supra2NR 04-17-2007 07:02 PM

Well there you I believe its conclusive now
Its not worth the squeeze

And ps I did not know what movie that came from, I ddnt know it was a line in a movie till you said it

Still my favorite funniest false line is:
"He has a motec system exhaust"
It will go down as the worst line in a movie for me

supradude27_ 04-17-2007 10:00 PM

3sgte
 
i am doing it to be different and i only want to use it as a drift car so u only need boout 400rwhp and u can push about 600rwhp any way if i wanting 2 but the thing is i want 2 no if u do have 2 change it 2 rear wheel drive and how u would go bout doing that

dcrusupra 04-17-2007 10:11 PM

Well, you can only drift with a RWD car. But I'm sure already knew that. The only way I can think of doing it is taking a 3s-gte from an MR-2 and mating a supra transmission to it and making custom tranny and engine mounts, and a custom driveshaft.

kwnate 04-17-2007 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by supradude27_
i am doing it to be different and i only want to use it as a drift car so u only need boout 400rwhp and u can push about 600rwhp any way if i wanting 2 but the thing is i want 2 no if u do have 2 change it 2 rear wheel drive and how u would go bout doing that

Spell out words, its really annoying trying to read that. Go over your post before you post it up and make sure its reader friendly...

Supra2NR 04-18-2007 05:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dcrusupra
Well, you can only drift with a RWD car. But I'm sure already knew that. The only way I can think of doing it is taking a 3s-gte from an MR-2 and mating a supra transmission to it and making custom tranny and engine mounts, and a custom driveshaft.

i wonder if he will still have money left to get that 3sgte to 400hp
after all that he needs to get it a rwd setup

supradude27_ 04-18-2007 08:05 AM

3sgte
 
there is more parts around for the 3s then the 1j 2j and 7m motors and it is not a dear as u think and i think u can buy a race prep one out of japan like wat they use in the mkiv for the gt racing but i just want to know how u woiuld change it to rear drive

west_side_supra 04-18-2007 08:15 AM

hmm that seems like alot of work just to set it up for drifting. i agree with everyone else, i dont think its worth the amount of money and work involved. your better off just stickin with the 7mgte or swapping it with a 1jz/2jz, with the 7mgte you will have to keep up on oil, check it before you drift it. the oil tends to slosh around in there. but just get yourself some good coil overs, strut bars, and a cheap set of tires or maby some good drift tires if your willing to spend. and you can drift that supra like there is no tomorrow. hell i drift mine everyday. and its almost completly stock. its not that hard of a car to drift you just goto get the feel for it, learn how heavy it is, have a feel for when you need to give it more gas. just go drift in a big empty parking lot in the middle of no where and do perfect donuts and figure 8's you'll get it down. if you lived closer id teach you how to do it :)

west_side_supra 04-18-2007 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dcrusupra
Well, you can only drift with a RWD car. But I'm sure already knew that. The only way I can think of doing it is taking a 3s-gte from an MR-2 and mating a supra transmission to it and making custom tranny and engine mounts, and a custom driveshaft.

and dcrusupra told you how to do it.

Kuban 04-18-2007 09:18 AM

Its ALOT of work to try and get a transversely mounted engine to sit longitudally. I schemed up a plan to try and do that with the japan exclusive version of the sr20vet, which is a rare version of the sr20det with vvti like timing control for nissan on my 240sx. BUT after alot of research decided that there was waaaay to much fabrication involved and labor for the benifits. Although in ur case there is no physical power gain like there would be in my swap, urs is completely pointless. And even if you wanted to TRY and get this engine to sit transversely in a supra (impossible), it wouldnt be a drift car. I mean yea there are light crx's and light older civics that drift, but there not a 3700lb rwd front heavy car...

west_side_supra 04-18-2007 05:04 PM

mmm civics and crx's are FWD. they ass drag not drift.

Supra2NR 04-18-2007 06:10 PM

Maybe a crx since I have seen a rwd crx here b4 and they are pretty light
I don't see why it couldn't drift

Idk about a civic, I guess a rwd conversion isn't too farfetchd
I have seen a 4g63 powered awd civic
That was a crazy setup

But he askd if he had to covert it into a rwd, that makes me wonder if he really knows what he's doing

But here's sum food for thought
Why don't u use the mr2 drivetrain
And create a MR supra
But be sure to find a way to put the engine in front of the rear wheel
Now that would be unique

Kuban 04-18-2007 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supra2NR
Maybe a crx since I have seen a rwd crx here b4 and they are pretty light
I don't see why it couldn't drift

Idk about a civic, I guess a rwd conversion isn't too farfetchd
I have seen a 4g63 powered awd civic
That was a crazy setup

But he askd if he had to covert it into a rwd, that makes me wonder if he really knows what he's doing

But here's sum food for thought
Why don't u use the mr2 drivetrain
And create a MR supra
But be sure to find a way to put the engine in front of the rear wheel
Now that would be unique

Some eg civics are said to be able to take the awd-train from the element or cr-v i dont remember which one. with modification of coarse.

Supra2NR 04-18-2007 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kuban
Some eg civics are said to be able to take the awd-train from the element or cr-v i dont remember which one. with modification of coarse.

They take it from a crv, they steal those a lot cuz of the engine, so they can put it in their civics

Kuban 04-18-2007 08:21 PM

yea thats it lol.

supradude27_ 04-18-2007 10:27 PM

3sgte
 
i am finding out how much its going to cost and how much work is involved other wise i will go with a 1jz and i have a 7m and i used to drift mine just fine but i want to do it as a complete drift car so i can compete in drift australia. 7m a the crap of toyota no one makes parts for the 7m enough to copete at national level

Supra2NR 04-18-2007 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by supradude27_
i am finding out how much its going to cost and how much work is involved other wise i will go with a 1jz and i have a 7m and i used to drift mine just fine but i want to do it as a complete drift car so i can compete in drift australia. 7m a the crap of toyota no one makes parts for the 7m enough to copete at national level

That's the same thing I'm after too, after my enguine gets done I'm saving up money for the rear end, and try compete in amateur drift events,
cuz it will be pretty hard to compete in the drag circuit since its already plagued with 10 second mkiv supras

dcrusupra 04-18-2007 10:51 PM

To be an amateur drifter or even compete with them, you're going to have to modify the steering. The angle that the stock wheels turn to aren't enough. Sure you can get a good drift but it will be pretty hard to keep it at the right angle.

supradude27_ 04-18-2007 11:08 PM

3sgte
 
what enginge r u doing supra2NR


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