just got my supra today
 

hey guys whats up im nick and im new to the forum i work for full throttle performance in sarasota fl and today i brought home a 86 supra 5 speed with the 7mge in it just kinda introducing myself to everyone and i hope you enjoy watching my build as it progresses by the time its all said and done i should be making about 900 whp at 35psi boost just getting there a little at a time first things first find out why it doesnt run i'll take pics in the morning

900hp good luck..
i hope you have lots of money to pretty well throw in a hole

and i would probly try and bring this non-running vehicle up to par before building anything up..

im working on getting it started and 900hp is actually a low goal we just built a 850 whp evo and thats a 2.0 4cyl its gonna cost me about 2500 to get to my goal parts are cheap labor is where everyone spends thousands

you think that but there are many hidden costs


this should help you

http://www.cygnusx1.net/Supra/Library/TSRM/MK3/

Yeah hidden costs like drugs. Because you must be doing some if you think you're going to get 900hp for $2500.

turbo kit includes top mount manifold, tubing, front mount intercooler, plugs, injectors, fan, and boost gauge, also a turbo but ill be running a different one it is 900 at my door
brian crowley rods 450
wiseco forged pistons 175
cometic hg 20
full gasket kit 50
turbo 700 or comes with the kit for awhile
fuel pump 30
comp/coils and wiring from gte 30 i have a good relationship with the local scrap yard
tuner 100
cam gears 70
tbelt kit 50
waterpump 40
oilpump 40
total cost with unnecessary parts 1925 w/o 2675w/ turbo

and yes i realize that isnt everything but its everything to have an engine at the power i want

clutch is 400
flywheel 100
trans parts 275
diff locker/spool free or 200
axles 150 ea
suspension ... alot
i realize its not just build an engine and go i do this for a living we build turbo cars but it can be done for 2500 mainly because we have a vendor lisence with motovicity but it can be done

oh and heres some pics its running great now with 160k on it no smoke so it might be awhile before i start a actual build first fix my sloppy shifter then a bodykit and paint for now

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You forgot a new block, you're going to melt pistons after 10 minutes, there are no piston coolers in a 7MGE block. Plus you are going to risk $2500 on a $40 oil pump and $20 Headgasket

cometic is the best gasket you can buy we run it in every car we build ask around and an oil pump is an oil pump its a hv pump stock psi if you went to a store and bought it it would be about 90 bucks and i wasnt aware of the coolers my manual didnt state that but i can get a block for 50 from the scrapyard if i pull it myself hell a full engine is only 150 with acc and they have a 88 turbo sitting there with a good engine

i would sure love to see the 900hp dyno test when your finished

until then im not really convinced

search google for brian crowley rods the car they tested on was a 7m gte supra making 1200 to the wheels idk what you all think but 900hp is not that high of a goal making 35-40 psi boost with 1200cc injectors on a 90mm turbo is like running 60-70 psi boost with a 50-60 mm which is what most people run for an aftermarket turbo a 06 evo9 with 2.0 turbo 270 cams 1400cc injectors same rods and pistons that i will run 9-1 comp at 35psi made 850whp and that is a 4cyl 2.0 a 6cyl 3.0 same setup should theoretically make 50% more power that being 425 thats 1275hp that would be a tough goal 900 isnt it will be very easy especially running c16 and 90mm turbo hell the same evo before new build made 675whp with a 60mm turbo 270 cams eagle rods same pistons at 35psi and 1100cc injectors on only a stage3 6 puck sprung clutch

:roflwtf: all i have to say is good luck...

Agreed, sounds full of it. The engine management you'll need to get this power out of a Supra will run you over $600 (and that's the bargain bin equipment)... add another $600+ for injectors large enough and you're already at half your budget.

And there are better than Cometic. Cometic makes a nice gasket and it's VERY forgiving if you can't get the head and block machined clean, smooth and flat enough for a real monster like the HKS Stopper.

You remind me a LOT of another fellow who USED to be on here... start giving crap advice and you'll follow suite. Keep it cool when you get challenged on here and stop laying it on so thick. That's the only warning I'm giving.


For the rest of you, there is a guy over on SM who's putting down around 800HP at the wheels on an engine built to STOCK specs and using all NEW OEM parts... Except of course for the EMS, injectors, clutch and turbo (all of which ran more then the quote claimed here... naturally).

im not giving crap advice actually i didnt give any advise at all so please dont insult me or my knowledge i do this for a living i know what im talking about and i may not have built a 7m before but the basics are the same between all engines also i wasnt getting angry or anything like that it may have seemed that way through the wonders of text but i wasnt and im sorry that it seemed like i was and i already priced out my injectors and they were alot cheaper than 600 for new 1400cc i was quoted 275 and thats if i dont like the injectors that come with the kit they are said to be 1400cc but idk how accurate their ratings are being that the kit is so cheap and last i was thinking of running the "juicebox" setup which i could find used for close to nothing if the piggyback system wont do enough but im sure it would except for timing

ps the evo made 850 on our mustang brand awd dyno its actually the lowest reading dyno in fl. it has a correction factor of 16% compared to a dynojet so to get into it the evo makes 986whp according to most dynos ... therefore i really dont get why 900hp is so unbelievable do these engine just run extremely inefficient or something? we build 500-700 hp subarus and 240s all day long there all 4 cyl so my straight 6 should make 900 easily maybe even running meth or water injection if necessary

A few things... I have no idea where you're getting quoted $275 for 6 1400cc injectors but I'd be very worried about running them in my lawnmower... Venoms (which are absolute crap) cost twice that wholesale.

Juicebox? The only juicebox EMS I know of is a BMW exclusive system... do you mean megasquirt?

Don't get on me for questioning you, you're the one who couldn't find the check engine light.

I'm very proud of your evo... keep in mind it's also not a 22 year old car and probably made more power from the factory than a well modded 7M-GE ever could.

I think that you should talk to Nate, he has one of the most powerful 7m powered supra's on this site.

22 years old, nowhere near as robust as the JZ series, I've yet to see one that didn't need a complete rebuild (unless it just had one), cast internals, air flow isn't horrible, but not great, expensive parts, oiling issues.

Enough? I've got more.

EDIT: Sorry, 24 years old.


EDIT 2:
I wasn't being crass when asking about the "Juice Box" you mentioned... do you mean MegaSquirt or is something else using the JB name out there? The BMW one isn't even a full EMS, just a piggyback.

Also, I'm not saying that 900RWHP isn't doable, it is, but not for the price ticket you've got in mind... not by a long shot. You'll spend that much replacing the stock components if you actually want to see this build last.

yes i meant megasquirt idk why i was thinking juicebox and i dont mean to get on your case for questioning me and i only couldnt find the check engine light because it had been rubbed to black and i did end up finding it behind a gauge that the previous owner had installed for some reason and the injectors were modded stocks another shop locally owned by adrien (idk if anyone is local on here) builds them it just consists of redrilling the screen (this is where most of the cost is) or maybe just removing it we'll have to test it to find its cc then replacing the springs and altering the circuits a little he hasnt built a set of these before but he builds injectors all the time so yes you are 100% correct to actually buy the injectors i would spend alot more i should have clarified that i would not be just ordering a brand name injector and if it comes to it then i will and ill go over my target budget its not my actual budget just a goal from research and pricing ive been doing for the past 2 days after i bought the car maybe im way off idk but those are all the actual prices (rounded obviously) to the parts i was looking at purchasing and if they dont make my target 900hp then close to nothing will being that any turbo bigger will take all year to spool and i would be running enough psi and volume to make 1000hp or more in most engines, we have a customer with a skyline r33 that comes in all the time making 780 whp at 25psi with a 77mm turbo and hes runnind the rb60 which is also a 3.0 so idk maybe im just basing my numbers off of other engines too much and the 7ms dont flow right or something but IMO i should be able to make my target 900whp with the parts im purchasing



also a little off topic but i noticed in your sig it says your running 10psi on a 7mge and i was just wondering if you tapped the block or something for piston squirters (the guy earlier said the ge doesnt have them) and do you have any hp #s on that maybe im just not being realistic enough... it just seemed to work out on paper and in my head mathematically

Well, just to post.

Orginally when i got my 89 toyota supra.
i got it in good working order, and i had a bit over 2.5 grand.

My brother had a freind that would make it basically as close as i could get to a 10-12 second car.

now i dont know how true that is, i never got into that much because i was rearended from a drunk driver on new years and the insurence didnt cover all of it, so i lost basically all my money

but 900hp is alot, and idk if you can do it.

but for 3 grand and a good working supra you can make it very very fast

i must ask what do you do with your hp overdoses
do you race, drift??

i plan on having 3 saved tunes one for drag one for drift and one for dd all on different fuels and all making way different power i wanted to push the 900 for 1/4 mile drag and make no more than 550 for drift and about 400 for dd just so i get atleast 9-11 mpg

also i paid 575 for my car it was an awesome find all it needed was a fuse re-wired and a coil already had a 3 inch exhaust its going though it was built with crush-bends cat-delete electric fan and a filter then i put an old aem intake i had on it and took his ebay swirly turbo out and drove it this weekend im doing plugs, wires, cap and rotor, shift bushings, and driver window switch then next weekend is try to find a dash mine is cracked horribly and a center console top also install my radio

ive still got a re-apolstered center consol from a 89 for my next mk3 project!

as well as a few other things,

good luck finding your dash and any interior parts not going to lie when i parted mine out i got pissed off and tore the dash in 2, i can understand how it happens.

sucks because people always try to put a sentimental value on things... its not special just sell it cheap and get over it ,your not PACK RATS!!!!

yeah very true i got mine from a car wholesale lot out of tampa when i called to let them know it was running they got all pissed off because they couldnt figure it out and they were gonna sell it for 1500 if it were running lol good thing i found it when i did im pretty satisfied with it so far it stutters a bit and i dont like the rpm holding while trying to engine break but oh well no smoke decent power for a stocker basically itll spin through 2nd no problem and i like the short clutch throw i cant wait to be able to tell that its actually shifted when i get my bushings in lol but all in all im definately liking it ill stick with it for a while and build the body/ suspension little by little until it blows up then go with the high hp build

My car is a daily driver and 10 to 12 psi on a higher compression GE engine is at the edge of reliability. Actually, I've just had to replace the OEM HG I put on some years ago with a thicker metal HG after the composite finally succumbed to heat. No damage anywhere else but there could have been. No the N/A does not have oil squirters, but then again nether did Toyota's race built MKIII's.... they had forged internals in N/A blocks.

If you want some good examples look here: http://www.gtepowered.com/index.php?...ml/site/7m.php

Your numbers aren't far off, but your cost estimates are miles off IMO. Ask some of the members there what they've spent and you may just weep.

I, and many others, do not believe the 7M to be a decent platform for high power builds unless you like seeing the bank balance drop and love constantly being challenged in ways that keep the car off the road. If you want an easy 800+ drop in a healthy 2JZ-GTE with some bolt on upgrades; doing it on a 7M's going to kill you. Maybe, I'm just growing bitter... but I've got a LOT of company and we've all got reasons.

I'm not going to nitpick this thread or your proposed plans, that wasn't my intent to begin with. Just pointing out that we've heard such bravado before, it ended very poorly and I won't have a repeat...

My Huge advantage
 

See guys this is all very interesting to me, Hell I have trouble following what you are arguing about cause all I know how to do is fix stock applications, so I have a huge advantage of not ever being able to even bullshit any of you about anything at anytime. Yawn,.... Such is the magic of being a bore.
I love reading it though if I could just figure out all the abbreviations. I didn't even know what N/A meant till tonight... LOL

no way you're going to be able to make 900 hp on 2500$ its unpractical.